What if a sweeping revival was on the horizon, ready to embrace and uplift the current generation? Imagine a tsunami of spiritual awakening, uniting all generations in humility and mature discipleship, originating from the most unexpected source – Generation Z.

This episode reveals the prophecy of this youth revival and the profound impact it will have on the world. In the wake of suffering, we believe waves of glory will break forth, and we share our insights on how the fear of the Lord will trigger this awakening. As we navigate this thought-provoking episode, we delve into the importance of genuinely connecting with the scriptures and how it can seal our hearts from anything that doesn’t come from the Lord. We discuss how, in the face of adversity, relying on God’s wisdom can lead us to a place of protection and purification. It’s not just about reading the scriptures – it’s about letting God’s words root deep within us, providing guidance and strength in times of hardship. Join us as we explore these themes, and make sure to tune in next week for more enlightening discussions. If our words resonate with you, please take a moment to rate and review the show. Where to dive in: (0:00:00) – Youth Revival and Waves of Glory (12 Minutes) We discuss the coming of a youth revival, a shaking and the waves of glory that will come from it. We explore how suffering brings glory, how the fear of the Lord will come and how the Lord is releasing a tsunami of awakening among Generation Z. We speak to how this is not just about Gen Z, but also Generation X and other generations, and how they will come together to lock arms in humility and maturity of discipleship. We look at how the Lord is the head of this move and how the gates of hell will not prevail against it. (0:12:05) – Sealing and Connecting With the Scriptures (1 Minutes) Subscribe now to not miss out on next week’s episode, and if this word touched your heart, please rate and review the show. God will seal our hearts from anything that is not from Him, and allow His words to take root deep within us. Allowing suffering can bring glory, and trusting God to do the work will bring us into a place of protection and purification.

About the host:

Tammie Southerland is the host of Burning Messengers and the author of Permission To Bur: Breaking the Chains of Compromise from a Holy Generation. She is also a speaker and prophetic minister. She releases the sound authentic of revival and messages from heaven as she travels. Her lifestyle is one of prayer and digging deep into the Word of God, her desire is to releasing the Heart of The Father in these last days. She moves in power ministry and is known for releasing the Matthew 3:11 “baptism of Holy Fire” as she goes. ⁠

Buy Tammie’s Book “Permission to Burn: Breaking the Chains of Compromise from a Holy Generation” here⁠: ⁠https://a.co/d/cznvVYK⁠

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0:00:00 – Tammie Southerland
The waves of glory will come. Glory, as it says in Romans 8, comes from the place of Suffering. Out of suffering we begin to see glory formed. So the fire will come to burn up the things that he does not desire. Persecution will come, negativity will come, backlash Against his move will come, but out of that will come waves of glory. So, even in the height of, of misunderstanding and shaking in the religious realm as well as the world, he will continue to pour out his glory, and I’m talking about weighty glory. Will come, the fear of the Lord will come.

Revival or bust right, that’s always been my cry. It’s been Lord, give me revival or give me death. I’ve shed so many tears over the subject and we’re seeing as Barry, we’re seeing college campuses, we’re seeing God pour out his spirit upon or among young people, but it doesn’t look like what we thought and who could make this stuff up? Jesus Revolution comes out on the very tail of this as very revival, and this movie has been in the making for seven years. Some would say that they planned it this way, though those Christians they. They planned it, they tried to make it that way, this way. But I want to tell you something. When God moves, no man can stop it. And I’ll tell you one thing God, he does it and we can’t make it up Now.

It was I don’t know many years ago that I was a youth pastor and God began to speak to me about a coming youth revival. And so, when I was a youth pastor, I was traveling and I was ministering, doing what? 24 hour worship and prayer gatherings all Over the nation. We were bringing together people of different churches, different denominations, coming together to center around one thing, and that’s the lamb worship him around the clock, without any kind of agenda or any kind of formula. But as a youth pastor, I would come back and I would see that my youth were not on Fire. They just wanted to play games, they wanted to have pizza parties and I wanted them to fast and pray.

So one Saturday, I was crying out to the Lord God, when will you release a youth revival? And all of a sudden, I saw a vision of my daughter, who at the time, was only 10 or so years old, and I have three daughters and they are three years apart, so this is my oldest daughter. I see a vision of her with her hands raised and tears Streaming down her face and I heard the Lord say when your daughters are teenagers, I will release a revival Among my children like the world is yet seen. Be patient and wait for me, for it’s coming and the sons and the daughters will run Together. Well, I want you to know that you may not care about how old my children are, but I fully care because I’ve been standing on that word all of these years. My oldest daughter that I saw in the vision will be 18 years old and going to college in this this summer. My middle daughter, it, will be 15 years old and my youngest daughter will be 12 years old. She’s 11 right now. So I believe that this is a benchmark moment where the Lord is fulfilling what he has promised.

If you’ve seen any of the other Revival or prophetic alerts on this page, you will know that I have already spoken of this revival, that God is moving through Gen Z. But this is what the Lord is saying. This is only the beginning. It will come and it will continue to come.

Asbury was just the beginning. That was an awakening of the release of the Holy Spirit into denominations who believe that he has ceased and pouring out his spirit. He is moving in the power and in mercy over denominations right now, that he wants to know that he is still blowing his wind even in this hour. He’s doing a reminder revival right now, and but what it’s going to do is it’s actually going to turn into a great shaking and waves of glory will come. So there will be shaking and there will be glory and there will be fire. What does that mean? The shaking actually begins to unlock things that need to be unlocked and break down things that need to be broken. We saw in the Asbury revival the sinking ship. We saw that the hand was off of any stardom, any famous voice. Nobody was given the platform that had any kind of clout, only the Lord and these humble students. The Lord is releasing a shaking. The waves of glory will come. Glory, as it says in Romans 8, comes from the place of suffering. Out of suffering we begin to see glory formed. So the fire will come to burn up the things that he does not desire. Persecution will come, negativity will come, backlash against his move will come, but out of that will come waves of glory. So even in the height of misunderstanding and shaking in the religious realm as well as the world, he will continue to pour out his glory and I’m talking about weighty glory will come. The fear of the Lord will come, and this is what the Lord is saying Between 2025 and 2026. There it will be a tsunami of awakening among Gen Z and it will be cross generational.

The Lord wants you to know that this is not just about generation Z. This is about also generation X. I hear the Lord saying generation X, generation X, generation X. I have broken theX off of you. I am releasing you from the place of feeling like the David in the field who has been overlooked. The Lord is saying I’m bringing you in as mothers and fathers to lock arms with Generation Z, as well as the millennial generation, to bring them into the maturity of the movement and maturity of discipleship, to be able to bring them in as those who are willing to eat meat and not only the milk of the word, and the other generations that are above Gen X. The Lord is saying I have not forgotten you, for this is a move where you will lock arms together. This is a move where teams will come together in humility.

The Lord is saying I am the head and those who are unwilling to allow me to bring them into connection with one another as a body who the gates of hell can’t prevail against. Those who are not willing, will not see the fullness of the promises for them personally, but the fullness of the promises of the kingdom will still come to pass. I heard the Lord say that Gen X circuit riders will burn with new fever. Gen X mothers and fathers will run with Gen Z sons and daughters and teach them how to be circuit riders and circuit breakers in humility and, in the same season, protecting their purity. I heard the Lord saying these circuit riders will not come forth as those in the past because they’re willing to submit to the leadership and wisdom and authority of an older generation who will prepare them to not lose their families and their relationships in the process of serving the Lord. For you will serve the Lord and not serve the idol of ministry in this season. Now, I’m not saying this is me talking. I’m not saying that some will not stumble and fall, because they will, but there will be a remnant who will run in purity, honor and holiness will be of deep value of these Gen Z voices. So I want to pray for you right now, if you are in the generation that I am speaking of, gen Z and Gen Alpha, which are the younger ones.

The Lord sees generations as the people upon the earth. He has chosen to pour out his spirit upon those who are willing to go low and to worship him in purity. The Lord sees and knows that you want something real, that you want something that is of him, that that no man can touch. I heard the Lord say he is doing a movement where he is putting together unhewn stones look that up in scripture unhewn stones or or altars that were made by rocks that weren’t cut by man. This was an Old Testament principle, and so, therefore, the Lord is Inviting you in this season, jen X and Jen Alpha, to allow him to pour himself into you, but do not let your heart be hardened.

Turn your hearts particularly to the generation X mothers and fathers who have walked through the seasons of hiddenness and who are willing to stay in hiddenness or go low and not buy into the idolatry of the ministry machine.

This is very important, even though you may not understand this language. Generation X leaders, you who have been hidden like David’s in the field or like Joshua’s in the presence, god is saying, or even like Daniel’s or Shadrach, meshach and Abednego. There’s so many examples, those of you who’ve remained hidden and remained alone, those of you who have even repented of being a part of things that you knew didn’t set right in your spirit. The Lord is saying that he is going to take all of the suffering of that season and he’s going to turn it into wisdom. Ask him for the seven-fold spirit of God to rest on you that you are able to disciple and mentor a generation into lowliness and also full submission to the spirit. And the Lord is asking you will you refuse to put your hands on my move, but only allow me to move through you in humility, in purity, and disciple a generation in the things of God? And for those of you that are in the older generation, I feel like the Lord, even now, is spotlighting you to honor you, the Jesus people movement. He’s honoring you in that movement.

But you have a wisdom to impart of the pitfalls of Lonnie Frisbee, the pitfalls that happened during that movement, to bring about even greater wisdom into the Gen Xers, who are going to begin to be mothers and fathers, to the Gen Zers, even millennials and the generation Alpha. There is hope. Hope is arising, but this is a movement where he’s taking you from being just a Christian into a witness of Christ. So, father, I thank you so much, for those that are watching, that you would seal this word of anything that was not of me, that you would pluck it out and not allow it to take root Everything that is of you, that you would allow it to go deep and allow it to connect with your scriptures, connect with your logos word. Let the Ramah connect with the logos and go root deep into the heart, cover, protect and purify us, even as we say yes to you in this hour in Jesus name.

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What is authentic worship and how can we shift our perspective from striving for man-made fame to humbly serving in unity? This episode offers an empowering prophetic word about breaking free from the ministry’s hype and elevated stages.

We delve into the significance of humbling oneself in service of God, and how the Lord is clearing the noise, urging us to return to His presence with sincerity and faith. Dive in as we critically examine how some leaders may have perpetuated a service-based climb up a man-made pyramid of fame, fostering an orphan heart. We emphasize the need for unity, humility in service, and a focus on our divine calling to unleash heaven onto the earth.

Get ready to alter your perceptions, learn to serve in the spirit of humility, and discover how to genuinely honor each other in a way that mirrors the spirit of the Lord.

About the host:

Tammie Southerland is the host of Burning Messengers and the author of Permission To Bur: Breaking the Chains of Compromise from a Holy Generation. She is also a speaker and prophetic minister. She releases the sound authentic of revival and messages from heaven as she travels. Her lifestyle is one of prayer and digging deep into the Word of God, her desire is to releasing the Heart of The Father in these last days. She moves in power ministry and is known for releasing the Matthew 3:11 “baptism of Holy Fire” as she goes. ⁠

Buy Tammie’s Book “Permission to Burn: Breaking the Chains of Compromise from a Holy Generation” here⁠: ⁠https://a.co/d/cznvVYK⁠

Full Transcript

As a matter of fact, the Lord wants you to know that there is no up unless there is a down. God is calling you to humble yourself. It says in the word that the humble what will be exalted, and the least among you will be the greatest.

Hi, thank you so much for joining me and I just want to share this word with you, and I want to give you a little bit of an understanding of what God is doing right now. So if I want you to pray right now, god, prepare my heart for what is about to be spoken. Give me discernment that I can know whether it’s you or it’s not you. Father, help me to know your word and help this to identify with your scriptures that are in my heart. And I want to say this anytime I release a word, I do want you to check the word of God, the scriptures, in spirit and in truth, to balance any word that is released. This word about the showboats sinking and the ministry machine breaking is a word for us to understand right now what he is doing, so that we can align our hearts with him. And so the Lord said that this move is sinking the showboats, clearing the hype and the elevated stages and shutting off the spotlights, and we must lean into what he’s doing. So let me explain to you, as I begin to release this word, what the hype is. So the hype that the Lord is talking about is noise. It is any type of worship, preaching ministry from a platform that is absent the presence of God. He’s causing us to return back to his presence, back to his face. If he doesn’t go with us, we don’t want to go. So he’s actually in his mercy. Removing the hype, the elevated stages that the Lord is speaking of, is a man made fame. These are places of performance. The Lord is bringing low all of the performance and bringing high levels of his presence and levels of purity and levels of his fire and glory. So he is just bringing flat, elevated stages, spotlights, spotlights, illuminate performers. Again, the season of ministry performance is over. That is a no more.

The Lord is saying you must come out of her talking about the spirit of Babylon in the book of Revelation. Come out of her so that you can be purified with the fire and you can return to your first love. But let us weep, let us mourn over what we have created ministry to be and allow God to not just eliminate the spotlights but to eliminate within our hearts the desire to perform for him, not just in church but in our everyday life. Let me clarify this the showboat in the spotlight and the of the ministry is what we have created to be about us. I saw a picture of the Titanic breaking in half, the water filling it and it going under. Why? Because the Titanic was the unsinkable ship right. It’s almost a picture of the Tower of Babel where God says no, if I’ve got to come down and listen, we want awakening, we won’t revival. The Lord says I’m answering you, I’m coming down and I’m going to confuse that thing and to break it so that a true move can come forth. This is a word for emerging voices. This means you will have to Prepare your heart and remove from your ingrained thinking that to arrive means to drive, because in this movement you are not going to arrive anywhere Driving alone.

There’s a matter of fact in Ephesians, where it talks about the fivefold ministry. It ends with the revelation that Jesus is the head, that the fivefold ministry is not a pyramid, but the fivefold ministry is a connection of a body with Jesus at the head. To arrive Is not to drive. The Lord is speaking about team ministry in this hour. Also, those leaders who led a generation to serve their way up Are beginning to come and understand that they have Perpetuated the orphan heart. As a matter of fact, the Lord wants you to know that there is no up Unless there is a down. God is calling you to humble yourself. It says in the word that the humble what will be exalted, and the least among you will be the greatest. The spotlight and showboat. Ministry has fed off of this machine that looks like a pyramid, that has a man at the head and has everyone younger Serving their way up, a pyramid where that faults or that old wine skin.

Apostolic movement actually did not mean to, but it communicated without saying if you serve me, if you, if you do the things that I say to do, then you can become me or you can look like me Eventually, and that was never the heart of the Lord. You serve your way down, down. You go low in order to ascend the hill of the Lord, to have clean hands and a pure heart, because your calling is to the throne of God. Your calling is to release heaven into the earth, and that means you come with a broken and contrite spirit Saying I am poor and needy of all the things of the kingdom. God, I’ve got to have you. And so, father, I’m just asking you, lord, even for those leaders who bought into the lie of the latter Right now, that they would begin to understand the reason we have such a problem with the orphan heart even still, is because there’s no Except for down. Father, we’re asking you right now for your mercy as you begin to break down the showboat, as you begin to break down the ministry Machine and you begin to re-institute your alignment, your Strategies, your heavenly blueprint in the earth as it is in heaven.

God, I’m asking you right now that you would begin to show us the truth about the team, how to function as a team, and I want to tell you that the new wine that God is pouring out into the new wine Skin, is actually, as my friend Waylon Henderson says, the lamb skin. The new wine skin is the skin of the lamb, the, the lamb who was slain from the foundation of the earth, the lamb who was seated at the throne, the lamb who, it says, is at the center of it all. The lamb is the only one worthy, and the new wine is Is the grapes that are being crushed or pressed together. Until we come into unity, to know what it is to be unified and matured into him as he pours out his spirit, we’re pressed into each other, learning what it is that John 17 passage that they will know that we are his by our love for one another.

That five fold ministry must be connected to the seven fold spirit of God. We’ll learn about that in another video, but I want you to look that up. The five fold ministry must be connected to the seven fold spirit of God in order to have the lamp stand Strong at the end of the age. And so what? This? I’m going to lead you right now Into a response to this prophetic word. This is what we’re gonna do.

I want you to repent right now and release any unmet expectations and forgive those who thought that the best way to teach you how to go low or how to serve or how to submit was to serve man. Until you could become like the man. I want you to begin to forgive and release and repent for believing that. Begin to ask God right now to uproot those lies from your heart, because he’s setting the stage for you if you are a leader that led that way or mentored that way or spiritual fathered Someone in that way. Just right now, begin to repent and release that to the Lord and begin to pray for all of those who thought that they could become you, whenever you led them to serve their way up. Just begin to release and go into the spirit and break that off of them and then you’re gonna bless an honor by the spirit of the Lord. Both the sons and the daughters and those who mentor, or leaders who mentored in the wrong way, are gonna begin to Bless by the spirit of the Lord, not by the spirit of man.

So what I’m talking about? Honor, not in a way of religious behavioral Modification. I’m talking about honor in a way that it says in James where you honor even the lowliest Among you, or the least shall be greatest. Where honor comes from the heart, by the spirit of the Lord, not by the religious behavioral Education that man has talked you. Where you purse your lips shut and won’t say something because it’s dishonorable, but yet you have bitterness in your heart or we’re gonna break that right now in Jesus name, and then I want you to prepare for team ministry and Function in the church and in business, in team, begin to change the way you see the scriptures and how the gifts of the spirit are distributed upon everyone with different Graces, and it’s not just for the church house, it’s also for the schoolhouse, it’s also for the marketplace, because the greatest apostolic leaders that we see in scripture they had businesses, they were tent makers Paul as a tent maker by trade and they released their apostolic Anointing, their prophetic anointing, their teaching anointing, their pastorial anointing. These anointings they released in every Facet of the culture. That’s how they turned the world upside down, and so prepare your heart for that.

You may be a pioneer, but you are going to come in connection with other pioneers in this hour. That’s gonna cause you to have to humble yourself in the Lord and learn from one another. You’re gonna begin to pioneer with others. That’s the paces of the puzzle come together. That is why it’s important to understand that the anointing, or the new wine, is in the cluster of grapes being pressed Together, being pressed together, pressed but not crushed right, persecuted but not abandoned. Struck down but not destroyed. But we’re entering into this hour where we’re going to see pressing, we are gonna see Persecution, we are gonna see a striking down of things from the the standpoint of the spirit of Babylon and the spirits Of the world. The spirit of the age is gonna try to cut things down that the Lord is doing. You have to understand that you cannot be an island under yourself.

Finally, social media following. Your social media following will not determine your spiritual success. I’m gonna say that again your social media following does not determine your spiritual success. God, may we crush this Eitel the Lord is asking us to crush, to destroy, to obliterate the idol of self-exaltation and social media, the social media, god that we have elevated above everything else. In the church, the Lord is saying if you do not cut this down, you will not receive the fullness of what he has called you to. In this hour you must restore your heart to trusting in the Lord that he will cause another man to praise you and that he will be highly exalted in the earth. It’s an upside-down kingdom, friends.

If you’re called into the media, if you’re called into that area and that mountain, then God is going to take you into that mountain and he’s going to cause you to do it by compelling of a spirit to do what he’s called you to do. But you must not go, look at your likes and your comments and determine your value, your worth or the movement of God according to statistics, or be enslaved to posting every single day on social media. This is a word from the Lord. Finally, you’re going to serve in the unseen places. Lord, help us to serve in the unseen places more than we desire to serve in the same places. Father, we thank you that this is a move and that you are lighting your fire on us, that you’re protecting us. You’re protecting us from the spirit of the age by giving us fair warning to go low so that we may ascend the hill of the Lord. God, I’m asking you right now, for all those that are watching with me, that you release a fresh fire of your spirit, a fresh wind of your spirit. There’s some of you. You’re struggling, you’re wrestling through this word. That is a good thing.

The prophetic word of the Lord is not always supposed to make you feel great.

It’s supposed to make you repent before him so that he can remove what you need removed out of your life, so that you have new, fresh ears to hear and eyes to see, that your heart can be turned towards him and that he can restore to you the rewards that are supposed to be given to you eternally in heaven, so that now the things that aren’t of him will be judged by the fire, the wood hand stubble.

Now those things are removed, so that you can be set forth to do and be all that he’s created you to do and be, but, most importantly, to know his voice, to move in the power of his spirit and to be his son, his daughter, his disciple and make disciples in this hour. Thank you so much for joining me, and if you would go ahead and let us know if this word is speaking to you. And I want to challenge you to take everything that we are speaking, everything that we’re sharing, and go to the word with it. Go, take it to prayer. Don’t just take my word for it, take it before the Lord. Thank you so much for joining me again. You don’t have to burn alone.

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Thank you for listening to this episode of Burning Messengers. You don’t want to miss what’s coming next week, so if you haven’t subscribed, please do so wherever you listen to podcasts. And if this word touched your heart, please rate and review the show on Apple Podcasts. To connect with Tammy, follow her on social media or visit frontlinemfireorg. You don’t have to burn alone.

What if your way up was actually your way DOWN? Warning: This episode might challenge everything you know about serving God and leading in ministry. It’s time we took a hard look at the showboats and ministry machines we’ve constructed around ourselves. Yes, those platforms and performances that seem so important could actually be hindering us from truly experiencing God’s presence. It’s a hard pill to swallow but necessary if we’re to align with God’s heavenly blueprint.

It’s time we traded the hype for humility, folks. Let’s explore the imagery of the Titanic, a seemingly unsinkable ship that represents our self-made towers – and how like the Tower of Babel, God is intervening to break these structures down. Through this, we’ll uncover the need for a team ministry and the call to serve our way down in humility. This episode is not for the faint of heart, but then again, neither is following Jesus. Are you up for the challenge? Let’s journey together into a humble surrender, serving and honoring in a spirit-led, not man-led, manner.

About the host

Tammie Southerland is the host of Burning Messengers and the author of Permission To Bur: Breaking the Chains of Compromise from a Holy Generation. She is also a speaker and prophetic minister. She releases the sound authentic of revival and messages from heaven as she travels. Her lifestyle is one of prayer and digging deep into the Word of God, her desire is to releasing the Heart of The Father in these last days. She moves in power ministry and is known for releasing the Matthew 3:11 “baptism of Holy Fire” as she goes. ⁠

Buy Tammie’s Book “Permission to Burn: Breaking the Chains of Compromise from a Holy Generation” here⁠: ⁠https://a.co/d/cznvVYK⁠

Full Transcript

0:00:00 
As a matter of fact, the Lord wants you to know that there is no up unless there is a down.

God is calling you to humble yourself.

It says in the word that the humble what will be exalted, and the least among you will be the greatest.

Hi, thank you so much for joining me and I just want to share this word with you, and I want to give you a little bit of an understanding of what God is doing right now. So if I want you to pray right now, god, prepare my heart for what is about to be spoken. Give me discernment that I can know whether it’s you or it’s not you. Father, help me to know your word and help this to identify with your scriptures that are in my heart. And I want to say this anytime I release a word, I do want you to check the word of God, the scriptures, in spirit and in truth, to balance any word that is released. This word about the showboats sinking and the ministry machine breaking is a word for us to understand right now what he is doing, so that we can align our hearts with him. And so the Lord said that this move is sinking the showboats, clearing the hype and the elevated stages and shutting off the spotlights, and we must lean into what he’s doing. So let me explain to you, as I begin to release this word, what the hype is. So the hype that the Lord is talking about is noise. It is any type of worship, preaching ministry from a platform that is absent the presence of God. He’s causing us to return back to his presence, back to his face. If he doesn’t go with us, we don’t want to go. So he’s actually in his mercy. Removing the hype, the elevated stages that the Lord is speaking of, is a man made fame. These are places of performance. The Lord is bringing low all of the performance and bringing high levels of his presence and levels of purity and levels of his fire and glory. So he is just bringing flat, elevated stages, spotlights, spotlights, illuminate performers. Again, the season of ministry performance is over. That is a no more.

The Lord is saying you must come out of her talking about the spirit of Babylon in the book of Revelation. Come out of her so that you can be purified with the fire and you can return to your first love. But let us weep, let us mourn over what we have created ministry to be and allow God to not just eliminate the spotlights but to eliminate within our hearts the desire to perform for him, not just in church but in our everyday life. Let me clarify this the showboat in the spotlight and the of the ministry is what we have created to be about us. I saw a picture of the Titanic breaking in half, the water filling it and it going under. Why? Because the Titanic was the unsinkable ship right. It’s almost a picture of the Tower of Babel where God says no, if I’ve got to come down and listen, we want awakening, we won’t revival. The Lord says I’m answering you, I’m coming down and I’m going to confuse that thing and to break it so that a true move can come forth. This is a word for emerging voices. This means you will have to Prepare your heart and remove from your ingrained thinking that to arrive means to drive, because in this movement you are not going to arrive anywhere Driving alone.

There’s a matter of fact in Ephesians, where it talks about the fivefold ministry. It ends with the revelation that Jesus is the head, that the fivefold ministry is not a pyramid, but the fivefold ministry is a connection of a body with Jesus at the head. To arrive Is not to drive. The Lord is speaking about team ministry in this hour. Also, those leaders who led a generation to serve their way up Are beginning to come and understand that they have Perpetuated the orphan heart. As a matter of fact, the Lord wants you to know that there is no up Unless there is a down. God is calling you to humble yourself. It says in the word that the humble what will be exalted, and the least among you will be the greatest. The spotlight and showboat. Ministry has fed off of this machine that looks like a pyramid, that has a man at the head and has everyone younger Serving their way up, a pyramid where that faults or that old wine skin.

Apostolic movement actually did not mean to, but it communicated without saying if you serve me, if you, if you do the things that I say to do, then you can become me or you can look like me Eventually, and that was never the heart of the Lord. You serve your way down, down. You go low in order to ascend the hill of the Lord, to have clean hands and a pure heart, because your calling is to the throne of God. Your calling is to release heaven into the earth, and that means you come with a broken and contrite spirit Saying I am poor and needy of all the things of the kingdom. God, I’ve got to have you. And so, father, I’m just asking you, lord, even for those leaders who bought into the lie of the latter Right now, that they would begin to understand the reason we have such a problem with the orphan heart even still, is because there’s no Except for down. Father, we’re asking you right now for your mercy as you begin to break down the showboat, as you begin to break down the ministry Machine and you begin to re-institute your alignment, your Strategies, your heavenly blueprint in the earth as it is in heaven.

God, I’m asking you right now that you would begin to show us the truth about the team, how to function as a team, and I want to tell you that the new wine that God is pouring out into the new wine Skin, is actually, as my friend Waylon Henderson says, the lamb skin. The new wine skin is the skin of the lamb, the, the lamb who was slain from the foundation of the earth, the lamb who was seated at the throne, the lamb who, it says, is at the center of it all. The lamb is the only one worthy, and the new wine is Is the grapes that are being crushed or pressed together. Until we come into unity, to know what it is to be unified and matured into him as he pours out his spirit, we’re pressed into each other, learning what it is that John 17 passage that they will know that we are his by our love for one another.

That five fold ministry must be connected to the seven fold spirit of God. We’ll learn about that in another video, but I want you to look that up. The five fold ministry must be connected to the seven fold spirit of God in order to have the lamp stand Strong at the end of the age. And so what? This? I’m going to lead you right now Into a response to this prophetic word. This is what we’re gonna do.

I want you to repent right now and release any unmet expectations and forgive those who thought that the best way to teach you how to go low or how to serve or how to submit was to serve man. Until you could become like the man. I want you to begin to forgive and release and repent for believing that. Begin to ask God right now to uproot those lies from your heart, because he’s setting the stage for you if you are a leader that led that way or mentored that way or spiritual fathered Someone in that way. Just right now, begin to repent and release that to the Lord and begin to pray for all of those who thought that they could become you, whenever you led them to serve their way up. Just begin to release and go into the spirit and break that off of them and then you’re gonna bless an honor by the spirit of the Lord. Both the sons and the daughters and those who mentor, or leaders who mentored in the wrong way, are gonna begin to Bless by the spirit of the Lord, not by the spirit of man.

So what I’m talking about? Honor, not in a way of religious behavioral Modification. I’m talking about honor in a way that it says in James where you honor even the lowliest Among you, or the least shall be greatest. Where honor comes from the heart, by the spirit of the Lord, not by the religious behavioral Education that man has talked you. Where you purse your lips shut and won’t say something because it’s dishonorable, but yet you have bitterness in your heart or we’re gonna break that right now in Jesus name, and then I want you to prepare for team ministry and Function in the church and in business, in team, begin to change the way you see the scriptures and how the gifts of the spirit are distributed upon everyone with different Graces, and it’s not just for the church house, it’s also for the schoolhouse, it’s also for the marketplace, because the greatest apostolic leaders that we see in scripture they had businesses, they were tent makers Paul as a tent maker by trade and they released their apostolic Anointing, their prophetic anointing, their teaching anointing, their pastorial anointing. These anointings they released in every Facet of the culture. That’s how they turned the world upside down, and so prepare your heart for that.

You may be a pioneer, but you are going to come in connection with other pioneers in this hour. That’s gonna cause you to have to humble yourself in the Lord and learn from one another. You’re gonna begin to pioneer with others. That’s the paces of the puzzle come together. That is why it’s important to understand that the anointing, or the new wine, is in the cluster of grapes being pressed Together, being pressed together, pressed but not crushed right, persecuted but not abandoned. Struck down but not destroyed. But we’re entering into this hour where we’re going to see pressing, we are gonna see Persecution, we are gonna see a striking down of things from the the standpoint of the spirit of Babylon and the spirits Of the world. The spirit of the age is gonna try to cut things down that the Lord is doing. You have to understand that you cannot be an island under yourself.

Finally, social media following. Your social media following will not determine your spiritual success. I’m gonna say that again your social media following does not determine your spiritual success. God, may we crush this Eitel the Lord is asking us to crush, to destroy, to obliterate the idol of self-exaltation and social media, the social media, god that we have elevated above everything else. In the church, the Lord is saying if you do not cut this down, you will not receive the fullness of what he has called you to. In this hour you must restore your heart to trusting in the Lord that he will cause another man to praise you and that he will be highly exalted in the earth. It’s an upside-down kingdom, friends.

If you’re called into the media, if you’re called into that area and that mountain, then God is going to take you into that mountain and he’s going to cause you to do it by compelling of a spirit to do what he’s called you to do. But you must not go, look at your likes and your comments and determine your value, your worth or the movement of God according to statistics, or be enslaved to posting every single day on social media. This is a word from the Lord. Finally, you’re going to serve in the unseen places. Lord, help us to serve in the unseen places more than we desire to serve in the same places. Father, we thank you that this is a move and that you are lighting your fire on us, that you’re protecting us. You’re protecting us from the spirit of the age by giving us fair warning to go low so that we may ascend the hill of the Lord. God, I’m asking you right now, for all those that are watching with me, that you release a fresh fire of your spirit, a fresh wind of your spirit. There’s some of you. You’re struggling, you’re wrestling through this word. That is a good thing.

The prophetic word of the Lord is not always supposed to make you feel great.

It’s supposed to make you repent before him so that he can remove what you need removed out of your life, so that you have new, fresh ears to hear and eyes to see, that your heart can be turned towards him and that he can restore to you the rewards that are supposed to be given to you eternally in heaven, so that now the things that aren’t of him will be judged by the fire, the wood hand stubble.

Now those things are removed, so that you can be set forth to do and be all that he’s created you to do and be, but, most importantly, to know his voice, to move in the power of his spirit and to be his son, his daughter, his disciple and make disciples in this hour. Thank you so much for joining me, and if you would go ahead and let us know if this word is speaking to you. And I want to challenge you to take everything that we are speaking, everything that we’re sharing, and go to the word with it. Go, take it to prayer. Don’t just take my word for it, take it before the Lord. Thank you so much for joining me again. You don’t have to burn alone.

0:15:31 – Speaker 2
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Unlock the true purpose of the five-fold ministry and experience a deeper connection with the divine in our latest episode. We’ve crafted this to hone your understanding of the unity and knowledge of the Son of God as explained in the profound scriptures of Ephesians 4:11-13, guaranteeing a transformation in your spiritual walk. We also explore the life-altering journey of John, the beloved one, and the power of the prophetic gifting when tied with a deep relationship with God.

Our discussion takes a reflective turn as we unveil the power and significance of the slain Lamb as revealed in the breathtaking narrative of Revelation 5. We offer insights into the mysteries of the throne room, Jesus’ intercession, and the awe-inspiring humility of our perfect God. As we navigate through this spiritual journey, we delve into the transformative experience of discovering the blueprint for unity and the fullness of God’s knowledge inherent in the five-fold ministry.

Prepare to challenge your perceptions as we delve into the high calling of the Lord, the power of surrender, and the essence of ascended intercession. By looking to Romans 8, Revelation 4, and other scriptures, we unveil how holy humility can restore your spiritual sight. We conclude our exploration with a powerful discussion on the importance of reliance on the strength of the Lord in achieving the unity and fullness that we seek. Join us on this life-changing journey as we find our way back to our first love, the Lord!

Where to dive in:

(0:00:01) – Unity and Intimacy in Ministry (7 Minutes)

We look to Ephesians 4:11-13 to understand the purpose of the five-fold ministry – to attain unity in faith and knowledge of the Son of God to maturity and the fullness of Christ. Although we have access to the fullness of Christ, we have not yet fully realized it because we have yet to know who we are. Two essential components to a new wineskin five-fold ministry reality are needed to achieve this: intimacy and knowing Jesus as the seven-fold spirit of God.

(0:07:07) – Lamb’s Revelation and Intimacy Longing (12 Minutes)

We explore the power of the five-fold ministry and its ability to bring people into a deeper knowledge and understanding of the Son of God. We discuss the significance of the book of Revelation, and how John, the beloved one, experienced a transformation from a son of thunder to the beloved. We uncover the importance of prophetic gifting and its consequences when used absent of intimacy and encounter with God. Finally, we examine the mercy of God in entrusting us with these gifts and how his mercy can call us back to a higher level.

(0:19:33) – Power and Authority of the Lamb (5 Minutes)

We examine the power and purpose of the slain Lamb as revealed in Revelation 5. We discuss how Jesus’ sacrifice intercedes for us and reveals the mysteries of the throne room. We reflect on the humility of our perfect, all powerful, and all authoritative God and the invitation to join Him in the unveiling of His love letter.

(0:24:17) – Intimacy and Consecration in Faith (17 Minutes)

As we examine the five-fold ministry, we uncover a blueprint for unity and the fullness of the knowledge of God. We look to the seven-fold spirit of God, and explore the lamp stand imagery in Matthew 25, Zechariah, Isaiah, and Daniel in Revelation. We examine the importance of intimacy with God and the consecration, purification, and continual burning of the oil on the altar. We learn that when we sit in the counsel of the Lord and we get his fullness, we put ourselves into a position to be formed into a faithful witness that may cost us our lives. We discuss how to make disciples and how to evangelize, and understand that when we present the gospel to someone, we are inviting them to lay down their lives for Christ.

(0:41:21) – Seeking the Lord’s Higher Calling (8 Minutes)

We explore the power of ascended intercession and how it allows us to encounter God in a deeper way. Through prayer and fasting, we can experience a bridal revelation that reveals the high calling of the Lord. We examine how to break out of the myopic view of ministry and be restored to our first love. We look to Romans 8, Revelation 4 and other Scripture to see how holy humility gives us back our sight. Finally, we discuss how weakness makes us a lightning rod for Heaven’s dream and reliance on the strength of the Lord is the only way to achieve the unity and fullness that we seek.

(0:49:21) – Shifting Intercession to Surrender (1 Minutes)

We explore the power of ascended intercession and how it allows us to experience a more intimate connection with God. We shift our prayers from “give me, give me, give me” to “let me have whatever it is that you want me to have” to gain a deeper understanding of God’s plan for our lives. We look at Jesus’ sacrifice and how it intercedes for us and reveals the mystery of God’s kingdom. Finally, we look to Ephesians 4:11-13 to understand the purpose of the five-fold ministry and its ability to unify our faith and knowledge of the Son of God.

About the host:

Tammie Southerland is the host of Burning Messengers and the author of Permission To Bur: Breaking the Chains of Compromise from a Holy Generation. She is also a speaker and prophetic minister. She releases the sound authentic of revival and messages from heaven as she travels. Her lifestyle is one of prayer and digging deep into the Word of God, her desire is to releasing the Heart of The Father in these last days. She moves in power ministry and is known for releasing the Matthew 3:11 “baptism of Holy Fire” as she goes. ⁠

Buy Tammie’s Book “Permission to Burn: Breaking the Chains of Compromise from a Holy Generation” here⁠:https://a.co/d/cznvVYK⁠

Full Transcript

0:00:01 – Tammie Southerland
Whenever you look at prophecy in scripture, it’s a was, it is and it is to come. That’s who he is. By the way, he is the spirit of prophecy. He is the greatest intercessor you will ever know. He’s unchanging and anything we walk in in him is coming to know him because we’ve gazed on him. And so when I look at you, I should see him. We talked about this in the circle earlier. When I look at you, I see him. Whenever you walk in a five-fold reality, you should be literally exuding him.

Let me tell you something about myself. I love Jesus. That’s really it, like point-blank, it’s I could end there. I love him. I am just passionately in love with him and I have a really good reason to be, because the scriptures actually tell us he who has been forgiven much loves much, and he gave me a clean slate when I never should have had one. He literally came in and he blotted out. You know, it wasn’t just like like there’s a lot of trauma involved, but it’s crazy how trauma can turn you into a person that you never wanted to be, and so he gave me himself in exchange for trash, and so I’m in love.

And when we talk about ministry and gathering together and these kinds of things. I always just want to plumb-line it. I love the fact that we get to minister and I love all the concepts of ministry five-fold and in gatherings and strategies and all those things. But more than that, I love him and it breaks my heart sometimes when we get so far away from him and we catch up, catch our eyes on all the strategies. It literally makes me weep, it literally causes me to go to my knees and groan because he is so much more valuable than that. And so as we come together and I get to be the first night and so it’s always that awkward, you know, first session where you kind of have to break through things, but as we come together, we’ve already begun to break into what he’s called us to with the worship and the prayer and the invitation to come forward. Now we just to get to go up, now we get to encounter him. And tonight, you know, I want to talk about two things that are absolutely essential to a new wineskin five-fold ministry reality, and that is intimacy and knowing him as the seven-fold spirit of God, the fullness of who he is. And so we talk about five-fold. Right, raise your hand. We’ve had a lot of conversation about five-fold. Right, we talk about five-fold and here’s the problem. Sometimes we get a chip on our shoulders and we think that we have figured out the blueprint of how to do the thing, and now we have our wineskin, and now we’re getting the wine and everybody else just needs to catch up. Right, I’m saying we, okay. So here’s the thing. I don’t know.

Maybe a couple months ago I was just weeping before the Lord in prayer, spending time with the Lord in prayer. I am the bridge builder, by the way. So I’m not house churches, I’m not like all local church, I’m like, let me just stand in the middle and bring everybody to the throne, like, can we just go up? And so I’m in my church and we’re doing a present-stripping church, we’re doing prayer. We’re getting to three nights a week where we’re doing extended times of prayer and my heart is breaking in the prayer room over I don’t know what, and I hear the Lord say five fold is absolutely nothing without the seven-fold. Five-fold is nothing without the seven-fold. So the five-fold ministry we’re very, very familiar with right Apostles, prophets, preacher, teacher, evangelists. This is gonna be difficult to do this on this little thing. Sorry, I’m gonna do this, get me Okay. Yes, I told you I fly around. I have many things going on. That’s good. No, it’s good, okay. So five-fold ministry we’ll hit that real quick.

I want to read the passage of scripture to you and then we’re gonna talk about the seven-fold spirit of God and how they connect together and how that is actually gonna bring us into a place where we’re gonna see a move of God like we’ve never seen before, because we’re fully submitted to Him, our eyes are locked in on Him. Okay, so we know this. Ephesians 4, 11 to 13,. And he gave the apostles, prophets, evangelists, shepherds and teachers to equip the saints for the work of the ministry, for the building up of the body of Christ. Okay, that’s verses 11 and 12. That’s the one we ramble off. Okay, yes, we have to have the entire, all five. And it’s not a triangle, it’s a circle. There’s nobody hierarchying at the top of it. But this is the next verse Until we attain the unity of the faith and the knowledge of the Son of God to mature manhood or womanhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.

So what’s the purpose of the fivefold? The purpose of the fivefold is to attain unity in the faith and the knowledge of the Son of God. Okay, to know Him, to behold Him, to be captivated by Him, the knowledge of the Son of God. So the purpose of this ministry connection is to emulate together a greater knowledge of the Son of God until we attain the unity of the faith and the knowledge of the Son of God to maturity, right to grow us up into maturity and to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ. So, do we have the fullness of Christ? Yes, by the way, the answer is yes, yes and no. Have we fully realized the fullness Christ? Not yet, because we don’t know who we are. So we see both.

And anytime you look at scripture, it’s the both and it’s not that either. Or right, pia, this, this, this is Pia Joe. This conversation goes way back. The both and not that either. Or Whenever you look at prophecy in scripture, is that it’s a was, it is and it is to come. That’s who he is, by the way. He is the spirit of prophecy. He is the greatest intercessor you will ever know. He’s unchanging and anything we walk in in him is coming to know him because we’ve gazed on him. And so when I look at you, I should see him. We talked about this in the circle earlier. When I look at you, I see him. Whenever you walk in a five-fold reality, you should be literally exuding him.

It’s the problem is, we actually start to identify ourselves by our gift and as quickly as we do that, we are headed for a train wreck. Because he is all of these things and more and so the unity and the knowledge of him is coming into the maturity of encountering him and coming to know who we are in him. And the problem is, we can build something without him. Did you realize, and I’m sure you do that when we build in his giftings, absent intimacy, absent encounter, we actually begin to build the Tower of Babel? That’s what we’re building. We’re building a kingdom unto ourselves.

He gives the gifts without repentance. He gives wisdom without repentance. He imparts himself to us. He is the humblest man you will ever meet. He is the God of all creation. He is the one who could strike you dead in a moment, yet meets with you in your mess and and for some crazy reason, he entrusts us with giftings that we can use to harm ourselves and to harm others. He’ll give us a gift. Let us build all the while. I do believe there are tears being grown from heaven calling us back up higher, and he’ll do it in his mercy. He’ll wait on us in his mercy.

And so, as the Lord began to kind of unpack this, he began to take me back to what is really my favorite portion of scripture. Most people’s it’s not, it’s the whole book of Revelation. Like I just eat it. And, by the way, look at what you have done from childhood. Where have you been hungry? From childhood, I was like eight years old eating Revelation and and Ezekiel and I grew up Methodist. Btw, that’s like a 15 minute church service, especially if you’re white in a little country church. And my mom’s like what are you doing? Why are you reading those books? You have no idea. I was so hungry to know him. I wonder if there was a prophetic gifting on my life. Pay attention to those things with your kids too. Pay attention to them in your own life. And so I love the book of Revelation.

And so let’s go look at, without further conversation about building fivefold, let’s look at him. I’m gonna talk about the seventh fold, but I want to look at him. I want to look at him. I’m gonna bounce around a little bit, okay, you all right. Okay, revelation five and I saw on the right hand of him, who sat on the throne and a book written inside and on the back and sealed up the seven seals. Now, if I had, if the Lord leads me, I’ll take you to Daniel 12.

Daniel 12 actually tells you what this book is. By the way, this is the book that the man Daniel, the Jewish man Daniel, received from God and did not know what was written in it and the Lord told him to seal it up. So when you began to see John, a weep and weep and weep because no one’s found worthy. This is a Jewish man who knew that the book was sealed in the book of Daniel 12 and had not yet been opened to understand what would happen at the end of the age. So he saw the book and I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice who is worthy to open the book and break its seals, and no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the book or look into it. And I began to weep greatly and no one was found worthy to open the book or look into it. And one of the elders said to me stop weeping, behold the lion that is from the tribe of Judah. The root of David has overcome so as to open the book and the seven seals. And I saw, between the throne, four living creatures and the elders and a lamb slain, a lamb standing, as if slain, with seven horns, seven eyes and seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. And he came and he took the book out of the right hand of him who sat on the throne. And when he’d taken the book, the four living creatures and the 24 elders fell down before the lamb, each one holding a harp in a golden bowl full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints, and they sang a new song and the song was worthy.

You see the weeping and the groaning that was taking place because John was. He was an apostle, right, Talk about the apostolic. He had been formed into a witness of Christ. That couldn’t kill him. By the way, the word apostle means sent one. The word witness means martyr. The word faithful witness means faithful unto death. Jesus was a faithful witness all the way unto death. So John the apostle had seen all of these other apostolic brothers martyred and killed. He’d been boiled in oil and he could not be killed. So he finds himself on an island in exile, because they didn’t know what else to do with the beloved.

You see, this was the beloved who was once called the son of thunder. He was the one that wanted to call down fire on Samaria because they wouldn’t let him in, and Jesus called him a son of thunder. And then, all of a sudden, we find him being the beloved. He’s the one whom Jesus loved. He’s the one who Jesus told Peter to get on. Don’t worry about what’s going to happen to him, because Peter was like what about John? Is he going to be a martyr? He was like don’t you worry about that? Well, here we see the one who was called the son of thunder. Don’t worry about that.

Well, here we see John, who cannot be killed because his proximity to Christ is so strong and so beautiful. I actually believe that the witness in him pressed out death and commanded it to not touch him. And here he finds himself in the place of weeping and groaning, because there’s two things going on he’s longing for the lamb, he’s longing for his friend, and this is what he’s going to reveal to his friends, in Revelation 4, we see that he was called up higher so that things could be unveiled to him, so that he could see and hear and understand what had not yet been seen or heard or understood. You see, john didn’t care if he was an apostle. He wanted to be a son, he wanted to be a beloved, he wanted to come up higher. He was lovesick, he was longing, and in that longing something opened up to him that had not yet been open at any other point in eternity.

Listen to me Friendship with God, intimacy with God. Fivefold ministry is for the purpose of bringing the entire body of Christ into the knowledge of the Son of God. The ultimate goal of an apostolic calling is to lay down your life so that someone else can come to know the beauty of the one you have literally given your life to. I just love him. So he’s weeping. Nobody’s found worthy to open this book. I gotta go there.

Let’s look at Daniel 12. I gotta go there. You gotta see this. I’m telling you. I try to preach this message without going to Daniel 12, because I’m like y’all don’t want me to hear read a bunch of more scripture, but we’ve got to go there. He wants again. Right, who cares? Listen, she’ll never get up. I’m just going to let you read the rest of this later.

Listen to this, verse seven.

I heard a man.

Daniel heard a man. You can hear a man. He was above the waters of the river and he raised his right hand and left towards the heaven and swore by him who lives forever, that it would be a time times a half a time, as soon as they finished shattering the power of the holy people, that all of these events would be completed. As for me, I had heard but could not understand, for these words are concealed and sealed up to the end of time. So, when you’re looking at John, looking at Jesus, looking at a scroll in revelation five, he knew this story, he knew this scripture from a young man, he knew the word and he knew Daniel was not allowed to see it. Many will be purged and purified and refined, but the wicked will act wickedly and none of the wicked will understand. But those who have insight will understand. From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished, there will be an abomination of desolation that will be set up for 1290 days. How blessed is he who waits and attains the 1335 days. But as for you, daniel, sorry, go your own way to the end, then you will enter into the rest and rise again for your allotted portion at the end of the age.

I want to read that to you because I really want you to understand the reality, what John has gotten invited into. I Want you to understand the reality of what you are invited into when you willingly choose to fall in love with the lamb. And I want you to see I’m going to show you in just a minute. We talk about the lion of the tribe of Judah and you’re gonna get to hear my friend Whalen Henderson. I can’t wait to y’all hear whaling Whalen and I will get so stirring on the lamb and the lamb that was slain we will leave you all and just go levitate. But Whalen Said this and it’s so powerful that you don’t get the authority to roar like the lion until you’re able to identify with the slain suffering of the Lamb of God.

So in this portion of scripture told you, I fly around. You see, behold the lion that is from the tribe of Judah. The root of David has overcome as to open the book and it’s seven seals, and I saw between the throne with me, four living creatures, the elders and a lamb standing, as if slain was seven horns, seven eyes and seven spirits of God. Seven eyes and seven spirits of God sent out into the earth. And he came and took the book out of my right hand or the right hand of the him who sat on the throne.

Pause, we don’t see prophetic art, the slain lamb with seven eyes and seven horns Seated in the middle of the throne. But he is. He’s the slain lamb With seven eyes, all seeing the sevenfold spirit of God, all power and all authority, yet still fully sacrificing himself. Do you know that the blood of Jesus still cries out? We talk about Jesus the intercessor. Jesus is the greatest intercessor we will ever know. He doesn’t sit in intercession all day long saying and I pray for you, and I pray for you, and I pray for you. He may do that, but it is his blood.

The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. It is his blood that cries out from the ground, greater than the blood of able, day and night and night and day, greater than the blood of any martyr that ever went making Intercession for us. Because it says in Revelation 12 that they overcame by the blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony, not loving their life, even unto death. You see, it’s the blood of the lamb Testifying before the throne of God that brings you into the greatest Invitation that you could ever be invited into. And it’s not just getting a ministry, it’s not just building something. It’s come up here so that you may see what will take place after this.

Come into the revelation of the throne room. Understand that the lamb that was slain has all eyes and all power and all authority, and if you will sit in the fullness of the counsel of the Lord, you will see like he sees, you will hear like he hears, you will know what he knows. And we won’t wreck this thing in our generation. He’s worthy. You see, the book was a book of judgment. This book is a love letter to us, but what is being untapped is can only be opened by the only one that is worthy To break the seals of judgment, because he is perfect and pure and holy, without spotter, blemish, full of love. So even in his wrath he is full of love. It’s the love letter, and and so as we begin to enter into what he’s called us into in this hour, we have to get our eyes off of what we want to see and what we want to do and get our eyes on the same lamb, because we don’t get authority to roar, to correct, to fix things, to build things, without identifying with the suffering of the lamb who was slain. You see what boggles my mind I have been sitting on this for all week long it’s the humility of our God. Like I don’t, it’s mind boggling to me. Perfect and all power and all authority. It could strike me dead at any moment. Yet I’m invited to come boldly To his throne and not just receive mercy, but to be unveiled, to get to gather the mysteries of heaven. This is the invitation.

You see, we talk about intercession. We think there’s a group of 12 grandmas sitting back in the back room, or 24, 7 up in the I hop. There’s more, there’s so much more than that. And let me tell you this we’ve been missing the pieces. We’ve got 24, 7 and we pray around the clock God raised up five fold, god raised up five fold, god raised up five fold. And then we’ve got five fold. It’s like, here we are, we’re doing the five fold, but man, I, we like all that prayer, so we’ll just let our hop, do it.

But it’s supposed to come together, it’s supposed to be unified, it’s supposed to be one, because there is no true five fold flow without the seven fold spirit of God, there is no true Intercession without grabbing a hold of the prayers that we pray and going and doing them, and none of these things. We can’t disciple a generation if we’re not grabbing a hold of the wisdom of God on how to make God Together in the biggest time of crisis our world has ever known. So the purpose of the five hold is to know him, to behold him. The blueprint we’re fighting to implement Is so beautiful. When we actually beg for the wisdom of God, we actually begin to long to obtain the fullness of the knowledge of God. But if we don’t come to the knowledge of the Son of God as destructive. So I keep talking about the sevenfold. We see the seven eyes of God right. So that’s the sevenfold spirit of God.

Let’s look at Matthew 25 before I go there. So we think about a lamp stand right. We think, we think okay. So we look at the book of Revelation. Each one of the seven churches have a lamp stand right. So this is actually a menorah. Sevenfold, seven lamps.

If I had a place to show you if you’ve ever seen the seven branched lamp stand. It is not just a candlestick. And when we look at Matthew 25 and we see the parable of the virgins, they don’t have a cute little lamp, they have a lamp stand. And this lamp stand represents to them, in their culture, the sevenfold spirit of God. It is unseparable. And if we look at and we probably will in a minute Zachariah, we see this lamp stand lit. We see it in Isaiah. But when we look at the parable of the virgins in Matthew 25, we think they got a cute little lantern. Did they just trim their little wick and they go to sleep?

No, there is an utter importance on this fullness of God. We have a hard time understanding of the Trinity I’m talking about sevenfold and seven eyes and seven horns. I know, I know it’s time to mature. This is the fullness of the counsel of the Lord. It says in Acts 20 that Paul gave to them the fullness of the counsel of the Lord and then he came into persecution. So when we sit in the counsel of the Lord and we get his fullness, we actually put ourselves into a position to be formed into a faithful witness that may cost us our lives.

I’m talking to us. You want a new wine skin. You want new wine. We’re going to return to the ancient paths. We’re going to begin to truly understand what the apostate looks like. We’re going to be truly begin to understand what a being, a prophet, looks like, what it looks like to actually disciple and pastor a generation that may very well lay down their life for their faith. When we go out and we evangelize, we’re going to quit just telling people to say a sinner’s prayer, because we’re beginning to understand, because we’re sitting in the counsel of the Lord, that we’re inviting them to lay down their lives for Christ. We’re going to begin to teach people to count the cost.

I love what I can’t remember. Who was it that said earlier today talking about I’ve been in the Middle East Talking about a new way? It’s not a new way. This is the old way to do discipleship, to do evangelism. They listen in biblical times. I’m going to read you Matthew 25 in a minute.

In biblical times, when they presented the gospel to someone they knew that they could possibly die for saying yes, they were not making converts, they were making disciples that would become witnesses even unto death, and so when we look at Matthew 25, we’re seeing a full lampstand. At the time, the kingdom of heaven will be like 10 virgins we just read about at the time in Daniel 12 and Revelation 5, before the seals were open. At that time, the kingdom of heaven will be like 10 virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish and five of them were wise. The foolish ones took their lamps not their cute little lamp, their sevenfold lampstand but did not take any oil with them. The wiser ones, however, took oil and jars along with their lamps, and the bridegroom was long, a long time in coming, and they became drowsy and they fell asleep. At midnight the cry rang out here’s the bridegroom, come out and meet him. Then all the virgins woke up, trimmed their lamps. The foolish ones said to the wise come and give us some of your oil. Our lamps are going out. No, they replied, there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and go buy some from yourselves. We know the story. They came, they tried to go buy oil, they came back. They couldn’t get in.

I want to make a point here. This is not a little lamp. This is the same lampstand imagery that we see in Zechariah and Isaiah and Daniel in Revelation. Everywhere we see a lamp, we see a seven branched stand. The center of that stand is the branch. It is the Lord, it’s the spirit of the sovereign Lord. Do you recognize that language? The spirit of the sovereign Lord is upon me. Right, the spirit of the sovereign Lord is the center of the branch.

And so when it says they did not have oil, it means that they did not have intimacy that had been consecrated and purified before the Lord and intimacy with him and in longing for him. It actually means that they didn’t believe that he would come. When it says they didn’t have the oil, because if you go into the Old Testament and you look into the temple system, there’s a continual burning on the altar and there’s a continual consecration and pressing and purification of the oil. This process doesn’t stop. Again. When you read the scriptures, approach them from this direction, because this is why they were written. They knew this when Jesus shared this parable.

And so the ones who are wise have consecrated a continual flow of intimacy to keep the full sevenfold lampstand burning, even after they fell drowsy and the midnight hour came. Here’s the thing it does not condemn the drowsiness, it doesn’t condemn the weariness. It says that they all fell asleep. It says that they were all virgins, which means they were all unto him in some way in their life. But the problem was that the five of them understood intimacy and they had longing in their heart for his coming. And the other ones kind of just went along their way and they said well, you know what, we’ll show up tonight, we’ll see if he comes. If he doesn’t, oh well, we’re just going to go to sleep. And it was at the midnight hour, when they least expected it, that they heard the cry of the bridegroom. You see, it says in Revelation that the spirit and the bride say come.

Another one of my favorite scriptures, and that is the reality of the heart of a virgin, the heart of one who’s longing for her bride, for bridegroom. It’s this constant groaning on the inside. It’s Romans 826. It’s the groaning, the wordless longing on the inside of a bride and a bridegroom that can’t wait to be together and see when they had oil with them they would have consecrated, purified it, prepared, it made it a reality that it would last even through the darkest hour, because they were hungry and longing and waiting on the one that they believed would come, no matter what time it was. But the other five did not.

And here’s the problem. We’re living in an hour where we think we can just kind of smooth sail it through and we can build our thing and we can show up, but we aren’t willing to consecrate ourselves before Him. And I want to tell you something. I know we’re preaching this a lot right now, but it’s true, you can’t buy my oil. I was shocked several months ago.

I was just looking at you know how Jesus flipped over the tables of the money changers and my eyes fell in the scriptures, where it says that they sold the doves. They sold the dove, they sold the dove. And Jesus come in and he flips the tables. We think about the money, we think about all the things, but Jesus said I’m sick and tired of you trying to sell my spirit in order to create intimacy or a manufacturer or something. And he’s coming in right now and he’s flipping tables everywhere we look. Yes, he’s giving us a new formula, but it’s not about the formula. It’s about the man who’s releasing from heaven consecrated oil that will cause your lamp to burn even in the darkest hour. You see, when I want to talk about the hours of darkness, it’s dark. Yes, it’s the joy of the Lord that causes us to be strengthened during the darkest hour. They couldn’t give them their oil. I was like 11 too. I’m gonna look at it.

So when we think about the lamp, sand and the seven fold spirit of God, this is what we’re thinking about. I want you to picture the seven branches, the center one, and whenever I read this, I want you to see that the center branch is the spirit of the Lord. Zachariah says that he is the center branch and there are two olive trees on each side of it. Isaiah 11, 1-2,. And the shoot will spring from the stem of Jesse and the branch from his roots and bear fruit. Listen, and we’ll bear fruit. I’m not talking about the fruit, I’m not over there in the fruit of the spirit in Galatians, but the spirit of the Lord will rest on him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and strength, the spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord.

So when you think about the seven branch lamp stand, you think about the lamps that cannot be removed from the churches. In Revelation You’re thinking about those seven flames that are burning. And this is the seven flames that are burning and without the full counsel of the Lord and the fullness of the seven flames being lit by the Lord himself. Talk about the witnesses later. The olive trees are the witnesses in Revelation. There’s something that comes from being a faithful witness that creates oil. We might go there in a minute.

The spirit of the Lord will rest on him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding. So the spirit of the Lord is the center, the spirit of wisdom and understanding. You see, these seven spirits, they’re coupled. It’s all the spirit of the Lord. They’re coupled. So wisdom and understanding, counsel and might, knowledge and the fear of the Lord. So if you take these and you separate them out, one at a time, and they’re not connected with one another, you get an imbalance. You will actually step out of the spirit of wisdom is the wisdom of God, but if you aren’t seeking him for his fullness and creating this intimacy with him when you’re living with him as an intercessor before him, you will get imbalanced and you will begin to walk in man’s wisdom and discard the wisdom of God Because you’re not asking him for understanding.

The spirit of counsel and might, not by might, not by power, but by my spirit, says the Lord. Again, zachariah, we know that very well. But before he reveals that, he’s actually revealing the sevenfold spirit of God in the lampstand. We can move in the counsel of the Lord. We can get all the strategy. That’s what the counsel of the Lord is. We get all the strategy. It says in Acts 20 that he gave the full counsel of the Lord and it cost him his life. But if we don’t get the counsel and the might, we don’t have the grit to walk out what we’re hearing and seeing.

These things have to be connected the knowledge and the fear of the Lord. It was the tree of knowledge of good and evil that caused the greatest tragedy to ever fall upon the planet Earth, because there was no fear of the Lord. There’s curiosity, right, there’s curiosity Because there was no fear of the Lord. The question was able to rise up in Eve’s heart and take root in Adam’s. You see, if we don’t have the fear of the Lord, we’re going to wreck this thing.

So the seven eyes and the sevenfold spirit of God are these aspects of his spirit that have gone out into all the Earth. You see that he’s become the message that he preaches. When we look at the slain lamb in Revelation, we see not just Jesus who’s standing there with his hands in his side. We see the man who’s the son of God, who has fully identified himself with the message that he came to the Earth and preached and he has become fully. The slain lamb that has seven eyes and seven horns is seated on the throne making intercession for us day and night, and that’s why he’s the only one worthy to release the authority and the roar, to break open seals at the end of the age and finally release justice. It’s not just judgment, justice that all the Earth has been groaning for, romans 8.

And you see, the thing is, what does that have to do with us? Everything, it’s everything to do with us. When we start to cut and separate these things, we start to divvy them out and make them this ministry or that ministry or that thing or this thing, we actually just start recreating idols and things in our own image and calling them God. And this is what he’s saying. Sevenfold is higher than fivefold, because in listen, in eternity I’m not going to be a prophet, I’m not going to be a apostle we can debate on which one I am Reima, I don’t do boxes and it turned out he I’m going to be a daughter who has locked eyes with a lover of my soul. He sees. One thing I ask, and that will I seek, is to do well with him Eternally. And if I can’t sit with him forever, it’s not worth it. Anyway, I don’t care. It’s not even about trying to gain the whole world losing my soul. For me it’s like I got to be in his lap forever. Like, if the millennial kingdom and he’s in a throne somewhere in Israel, I better be up in that throne room. I ain’t playing. I love my family. Y’all moving to Israel, that’s where it plays out. I will be with him.

I had an encounter with the Lord in 2007. Like it was insane. Like fasting prayer, it was the call. Like I got taken up. It was a bridal revelation. Like I mean, it was a hundred and some odd degrees in the stadium and my husband was like hey, hey, and my sister and I was like man, she’s marrying Jesus. Well, he was over. That was no Damon, no more, it was just Jesus. Love my husband.

But this is the calling, this is the high calling. It’s calm, calm, we say come unto me All your weary and heavy laden, I’ll give you rest. But the rest is found in him. It’s found seated with him, it’s found gazing On him. Your prayer life is greater than the list of things you need God to help you do today. Your prayer life is a place of encounter. It’s a place of mystery. It’s a place of unveiling. Listen, it says in Romans eight that the whole earth groans. All of creation groans for the unveiling of the sons of God, and the sons of God should be groaning for the unveiling of the son of God. This is the calling, this is what we were created for. If I’m not hungry, make me hungry. If I don’t want this, make me want this.

The word myopic kept coming up in our circle. Earlier, and it was several years ago, we had a house of prayer in a church in Clemson. We did all the campus things, like I’ve done all the ministry things, kids all the way up, just done it all, whatever. And I’m sitting in my house at the close of that season and the Lord says to me you’ve become myopic. I was like what does that even mean? You have a myopic view. I’m like I don’t even know what that means. He was like you can’t see beyond the hand in front of your face right now. You see, despair and discouragement had dropped on me because I took a plow and I pushed it as hard as I could to build something and it didn’t look like what I thought it was going to look like. And really, at the core of who I was, I just wanted everybody to look at Jesus.

But what it played out was a church and a prayer room and this ministry and a college ministry and we got to do youth now and we got to do kids now because we’re doing Sundays now and before I knew it I was swirling all in the doing and had lost my ability to see and had no idea. And I would lay on my face and I would weep and I would cry. I just want to be with you, I just want to be with you, I just want to be with you. I’d go at home and I’d go sit on my back porch and I’d be like I just want to be with you. And then I finally realized, when he said this, that the myopic view had come, because I had lost my first love.

I have lost the longing and the depth of intimacy, because I got into trying to establish something that he’d given me, a blueprint that nobody had seen before. It was a five-fold ministry blueprint. It was his blueprint. You see, ascended intercession is what I’m talking to us about, seated with him in heavenly places, and holy humility will restore our sight. You see, it’s the process of breaking. He will give us something and then ask us to give it back to him over and over and over again, because he doesn’t ever want us identifying with our gift. Hey, listen, if you pray for humility, if you pray that you will never do anything outside of him, if you ask for the fear of the Lord, you better get ready for your dreams to go and then he’ll raise them back up again. He loves to kill and resurrect, and kill and resurrect. I think he just really enjoys it.

Revelation 4, god’s given us back our sight and I believe that all of the revivals and you know we ride on the heels of those who went before us I’m talking about, like I realized recently I was doing my ancestry DNA and found out that I have a massive like female reformer 10 generations back. Like she stood up in Scotland and prophesied to the men and told them that they didn’t release the ones that were being persecuted from prison, that they were basically all going to hell. I mean, it was like raw stuff. They actually published her word, released the men and didn’t kill her, which was amazing. During that day, you see, we were riding on the prayers and the heels of those that went before us. When I saw that, I was shocked Like no wonder.

But if we don’t learn how to walk, if we don’t learn how to pull what he’s saying and doing from the throne, it will kill us, it will crush us. I don’t want to lose my kids and my family to ministry. That’s always been a prayer of mine. You know. We say I don’t want to gain the whole world and lose my soul. I don’t want to like, I don’t want to be the greatest revivalist to ever live, to my kids go to hell. It’s just not okay with me. So I’ll endure the crushing. So come up here and I will show you. Beholding is learned by not getting what we want. I want to say that again Beholding is learned by not getting our instantaneous miracle or our instantaneous ministry established for us.

Weakness makes you a lightning rod for Heaven’s dream. It is the strength of the Lord, not our own strength. So Revelation 4, we, most of us, know it. And after these things, I looked and behold, there was a door standing open in Heaven and the first voice I heard was the sound of a trumpet Speaking to me, saying come up here and I will show you what must take place. After these things, and immediately I was in the spirit and a throne standing in Heaven and one seated on the throne. And it begins to express what he saw and what he heard and what he encountered when he came up. I believe what the Lord is inviting us into tonight is coming up higher. He wants us to come up.

Hannah’s life was transformed through groaning for what she could not obtain on her own. Hannah started out wanting a son to show up, the rival wife who could produce, and she couldn’t. But through her weakness, her prayer changed from God give me a son to let me give you one. And this is what he’s calling us into. He’s brought us fully to a place where we’re saying no longer, hopefully, after tonight, god, just give me this ministry, just give me this thing, just let me establish this. Shifting that intercession, because that is intercession. You’re praying for it, shifting that intercession from give me, give me, give me to. I am so broken, I am so tired, I am so exhausted. Just give, let me have whatever it is that you want me to have, so that I can give it back to you.

0:49:40 – Speaker 2
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I crashed. Physically, mentally, and most notably, spiritually. Amid an overwhelming season of life, I found myself sprawled on the ground with a concussion, realizing I had pushed myself into a corner of utter exhaustion. This was the wake-up call I needed, a stark reminder that I needed to find rest – a divine rest offered through a covenant we often overlook. 

So, come along on this enlightening journey as we delve into the book of Hebrews, exploring the profound dynamics of the covenant of rest. It’s about understanding Jesus’s role as the High Priest, our place in His Father’s house, and the supremacy of this covenant over the law. Through our exploration, we’ll uncover how to live above all those pesky circumstances and situations that seem beyond our control and how to uncover peace, righteousness, and joy, even when trials seem overwhelming. 

Together, we’ll work through understanding the covenant of Christ, the importance of a tender heart, and the powerful essence of everlasting life. Recalling my own journey of missing the mark and finding my way back, I’ll guide you through this complex yet liberating path. Let’s bow our knees to King Jesus, release our worries and fears, and discover the divine rest we have been promised. Join me as we embark on this transformative journey of finding rest amidst chaos and living the covenant of rest.

 

Where to dive in:

 

(0:00:01) – The Covenant of Rest (14 Minutes)

Tonight, I’m talking about a covenant that we all have access to, the covenant of rest. I had heard of it before, but I didn’t fully understand until a few weeks ago. I was in the middle of a stressful and busy season, trying to do the impossible– take on all the things and keep going. I started to multitask and then I passed out. I found out later I had a concussion, and it made me realize that I can push myself physically, mentally, and emotionally but when I hit a wall spiritually, I won’t even know it until I crash. God reminded me that I had to abide in the covenant of rest and I’m still learning what that looks like.

(0:14:18) – Understanding the Covenant of Rest (14 Minutes)

Tonight, I’m exploring the book of Hebrews. We look at how Jesus, as the High Priest, has gone to prepare a place for us in His Father’s house. Through the book of Hebrews, we learn that the covenant of rest is a greater covenant than the law and the slavery of the law. We understand how to live above circumstances and situations outside of our control, and how to abide with the Lord and rise up in righteousness, peace, and joy in the midst of trial, trauma, and tribulation. This is an important transitionary generation, learning how to live on earth as it is in heaven, and how to function from a place of covenant rest.

(0:28:16) – Understanding the Covenant of Christ (5 Minutes)

We explore the covenant of rest in the book of Hebrews. We discuss how Jesus, as the High Priest, has gone to prepare a place for us in His Father’s house. Through scripture, we see how Jesus does mighty things and the disciples still don’t get it. We look at the seven-fold spirit of God and how one of these is a spirit of understanding. We examine Hebrews 4 and how God has said multiple times, “If you hear my voice, don’t harden your heart”. We consider our responsibility over our hearts and how if we don’t understand the covenant of Christ, we will fall prey to deafened ears and hardened hearts. Finally, we remind ourselves to say, “Lord, create a new heart, renewal, right spirit in me, do not let me harden.

(0:33:44) – Rest and Trust in Eternal Life (15 Minutes)

I was struggling with time and being able to do all of the things that I wanted to do. I was overwhelmed and anxious. But God reminded me that I have access to eternity – I am eternal. He asked me why I was trying to abide in the mortal when I was created immortal. We have been given access to a greater place of peace and rest. We don’t have to be limited to the anxieties of the earth. We can trust in God’s power over time and death. He has prepared a room for us in the heavenly realms, a place of covenant and rest. We must labor in His rest and trust Him to take away our anxieties, worries, and fears.

(0:48:44) – Bowing to King Jesus (1 Minutes)

I discuss the power of prayer to overcome worry, fear, anxiety, and trauma. I invite you to bow your knee to King Jesus, release your worry and fear, and come to a place of rest in His presence. We can be taken out of the fiery inferno of worldly concerns and abide in Him. Let us come together as a generation and bring healing to our land.

About the host: 

Tammie Southerland is the host of Burning Messengers and the author of Permission To Bur: Breaking the Chains of Compromise from a Holy Generation. She is also a speaker and prophetic minister. She releases the sound authentic of revival and  messages from heaven as she travels. Her lifestyle is one of prayer and digging deep into the Word of God, her desire is to releasing the Heart of The Father in these last days. She moves in power ministry and is known for releasing the Matthew 3:11 “baptism of Holy Fire” as she goes.

 

Buy Tammie’s Book “Permission to Burn: Breaking the Chains of Compromise from a Holy Generation” herehttps://a.co/d/cznvVYK 

Full Transcript

0:00:01 – Tammie Southerland
You can push yourself mentally, you can push yourself emotionally, but whenever you hit a wall spiritually and you’re continuing in the flesh, you won’t even know it until you crash. And then he began to teach me what I already thought I knew. Isn’t it funny how he does that? He began to teach me about a covenant that we have access to, called rest. So what I want to share with us tonight is something that I call my now testimony. So a lot of people minister from where they’ve been. They don’t know, a lot of times minister from where they are, and I think it’s important to acknowledge that. We’re in this place where we’re growing from glory to glory, and God’s teaching me something in a season about rest that I honestly don’t think I’ve ever really understood before, and I’m gonna talk to you tonight about the covenant of rest.

About four weeks ago, all the things piled up. My oldest daughter was graduating, she had her prom. My middle daughter was finishing the eighth grade graduation thing and we had recital and recital practice. And I’m working on a book and I’ve got like hard deadlines and it seemed like all in like two days. Everything piled up to the point that it was like I physically did not feel like I could handle all the things. And then, on top of that, my husband’s side of the family and my side of the family decided that they were all gonna come into town and they all needed a place to stay. And we don’t have a small family and in my ability I am like this hardcore driven person I’ve always been able to sit in the place of rest and take stress and kind of like cope with it. I would have told you that I was able to take stress and I don’t respond to it, but I’ve learned that I was coping with it and I could push it back and I could abide in the spirit and I began to cut things out, take things off my plate, right, that were stressing me out these two days. I did not have a choice. I couldn’t take anything off of my plate. I could not press pause. There was nothing that I could remove. It was all good things, it was all God things. And so in my hardcore grit and barrette, I got up and said, okay, I’m not gonna tell my parents they can’t come stay at my house. That’s just not cool, can’t do that. I’m gonna grit and barrette, I’m gonna get the upstairs of the house cleaned and then have a place for everybody to stay and we’re gonna throw the kids all in the floor on mattresses. I’m gonna do the thing. And so I started moving fast, working hard, doing the thing, and I was multitasking.

Women, you know how this goes. You’re like doing 12 things at once. You grow extra arms. All of a sudden I’m multitasking. I’m throwing something in the trash, I’m fluffing the pillows on the bench as I’m twisting to turn to go back and wipe something on the countertop. And I stood up and I hit my head and hit the floor and I was home alone and as I’m falling listen, if you guys know me like I work out and athletic I do all the things. As I’m falling, I’m going, I have no control over this. I have no control over this Boom. I could not stop myself from hitting the floor and I got knocked out. I come to 15, 20 seconds later, I’ve got blood running down on my hand. Well, right before hit the floor, I’m multitasking.

One of the 12 things I was doing was messaging my sister in law, and so as soon as I got up, I’m like I just hit my head. I got knocked out. I’m okay, we still got to do what we got to do. You know that was my response. Okay, I’m telling you all this for a reason. So I hit it hard.

The rest of the day, I did what I needed to do, got to the recital, sat down and the Lord speaks to me and he says this to me. He says you know how to rest, but you do not know how to abide in my covenant rest. And I was immediately convicted because, in the midst of all this, my character was wanting to fall too. Right, I’m getting annoyed by things don’t typically get annoyed with. I am I’m not responding the way that I would typically respond.

I get into the um, into the recital, and like all the seats are taken and there’s not enough seats for me and my family, and I’m getting into that like self righteous Christian mode, right, like we need seats and that’s not my typical character. And as it’s happening, bothering me, I’m like Lord, this is not me. And soon as I sat down, that’s what he said to me fast forward the next day. Um, I get up to get the girls ready to go. I think we had to go somewhere Get the girls ready. And I was up for 15 minutes and I sat down and I passed out and I slept for six hours and it scared me and I found out I had a concussion.

And in that process the Lord taught me you can push yourself physically, you can push yourself mentally, you can push yourself emotionally, but whenever you hit a wall spiritually and you get a concussion and you’re feeling like you’re going to be in a concussion, you’re going to be in a concussion. And then he began to teach me what I already thought I knew, and it funny how he does that. He began to teach me about a covenant that we have access to, called rest, and it’s not lack of, it’s not a lack of doing things, it’s not a lack of pain, it’s not the absence of activity, it’s a dwelling place, it’s a realm that we’re supposed to live in. And tonight I want to give you keys, and I have gone in and out of this. I’m going to tell you that this is what bothered me so much.

I’ve gone in and out of this revelation for years. I’ve learned in seasons how to abide in this place and I’ve seen God do signs of wonders and miracles when I’m abiding there, because it’s not about me, it’s about covenant with Him. But then I’ve gone out of those seasons because I have a natural bend towards being a doer. Even though I’m a Mary, I also have a lot of Martha in me and that natural bend towards being a doer will sometimes take over and I think that I’m still in rest, but I’ve actually began to get in the flesh.

And so I want to tell you this this covenant rest that we have with Him is the Ephesians 2, 6 seat. So we’re going to look at that a little bit closer. But Ephesians 2, 6 says that we’re seated with Him in heavenly places. So that seat that we sit in is above, whereas he seated above the principalities, pillars, rulers of darkness of this present age. He’s seated above those things. He’s seated in the place where we’re casting our crowns in our song right. That’s where he’s seated. It’s also where we’ve been given access to sit down with Him in this covenant, and from that place we are above the fleshly warfare as well, as we’re above demonic warfare, and I’ve talked on that before. But this is another level. And so if we can learn how to sit there, we also learn how to access oil, we learn how to access anointing, because we’re learning that he is the branch, he is the anointing, he is the oil, he is the one that brings forth signs, wonders, miracles, all of these things out of the place of covenant.

And our covenant with Him is abiding in Him. What does he say? Abide in me, and I knew, and you’ll bear much fruit. Without me You’ll do nothing, you can’t do anything. And so if we begin to connect these dots and these understandings, then we begin to understand that it’s actually a realm that we’re invited into. It’s not necessarily a knowledge, it’s an understanding of the knowledge of God, but it’s an access to a realm outside of this dirt that we live in.

And so if you think about realms of the spirit, you can think about the center realm. You’ve heard first, second, third heaven right, we’ve heard of that, but I think about it more like a circle. So the center is the throne of God, and that’s the third heaven, it’s the heavenly realm where he seated. The next outside layer of that may be like the spiritual warfare, the angelic angels, demons, the functionality of all of that, and then the outside layer would be the crust of the earth. So it’s like where we sit, we are created for dominion in the earth, but in our fall, in man’s fall we stepped out of the place of covenant rest, right, adam and Eve had dominion in rest. They had dominion over everything, including the lives of the enemy. But they fail. They had dominion over everything in the covenant with Him.

In that place of walking with Him. It says that they walk with Him in the cool of the day. That word in Genesis, where it says they walk with Him in the cool of the day in the garden, is not talking about temperature, is talking about ruach. They walk with Him in the ruach, the breath of the day. They walk with Him in the spirit, and so they lived in the realm of the spirit while they were on the earth, and so the hindrance to that was sin. That’s where they fell away, that’s where death entered. So what happened? They didn’t physically die that moment, they spiritually died and the death process began. What came with the death process? Fear, anxiety, worry, knowledge of evil. Right, it wasn’t just the knowledge of good, it was the knowledge of evil. So they took of the knowledge of evil and they stepped out of the breath, they stepped out of the place of dwelling in the realm of God, both in heaven and in earth. So they were, they dwelt in both places at once.

So if you look at scripture, when you approach scripture, always approach scripture with original intention in mind. And so the original intention of God for man was to abide in Him and he in us, and for us to rule and reign, yes, in this dirt called the earth, from intimacy with Him, in the spirit. And so when I say realms, I’m talking about realms of the spirit. I’m talking about this also being that what we can taste here, here, touch, see with our physical senses, you also have spiritual senses. So, real quick, let’s look at, before we go fully into the rest, I want us to look at Ephesians two, and again during worship, I might, lord, I feel I don’t like to preach out of the place, that I feel like I’m just tapping into this Again. I’ve been in and out of it for years, but it’s like I feel like I’ve finally learned how to sit in it, like the inner peace is incredible.

So, ephesians two, six you were dead in the trespasses and sins. Sorry, I’ve started with verse one. You were dead in the trespasses of sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. Now pay attention to that Among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body, the mind, and were, by nature, children of wrath like the rest of mankind. So stop there. Before we get to the seated place, so where we were, where we abide outside of covenant, outside of him, we get or given over to the nature of the flesh, the fallen nature.

This specifically talks about carrying out the passions and the desires of the flesh, but it’s the body, the mind and the nature of the children of wrath. Specifically, it’s living in the dirt and responding to the dirt without heavenly reality. That’s what he’s talking about. So this is what we’ve been born again or removed from. We used to be enslaved to the world and its desires and Satan, the prince of the power of the air. But God, being rich in mercy because of the great love with which he loved us even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together in Christ. By grace, you’ve been saved and raised us up with him and seated us with him in heavenly places in Christ Jesus.

So when we look at Hebrews three and four, we’re gonna look at the covenant of rest. I want you to remember, when it’s talking about Jesus as the high priest, that Jesus is seated in heavenly realms and he still has full authority and all of his work has been finished. And while you were still dead, while you were still unrestful, while you were still full of anxiety, while you were still given over to your flesh, he made a place for us. He said I’ve gone to prepare a place for you in my father’s house. There are many rooms and if this were not so, I wouldn’t have told you. He went. And he prepared a place for us while we were still sinners, because there was a greater covenant for us.

If you understand the book of Hebrews, it’s written to the fill in the blank Hebrews. They were literally the Hebrew people. Okay, so they understood old covenant, they understood the law, they understood the slavery of the law, they understood how they couldn’t fulfill it. And when we’re reading this covenant in just a minute, we’re gonna understand that he’s prepared a place for us that is in a covenant of rest, not under the yoke of slavery, not just to the law, but to the flesh. We’re not enslaved to the world, its passions, its desires or our own natural carnal tendency towards anxiety, worry, fear, rebellion, sickness, disease all of these things are encompassed in this truth. So this is how A it teaches us to pray. B it teaches us how to abide. And it teaches us also how to rise above circumstances and situations that are outside of our control, which is what most of our struggle is.

I didn’t know I had such a hard time rising outside of situations and circumstances that were outside of my control. I’ve never thought that I was that person until 35,000 things piled up on my plate all in one day and I couldn’t do anything about it, and I wanted to honestly, just go get in my hot tub and hide under the water and baptize myself about 12 times. I’m just being real. That was my day. I was like I just need to. I need to get baptized. He’s calling us to enter into this place Now.

I also want to tell you prophetically where we are. We are coming out. We’re a transitionary generation. Okay, so we’re transitioning. Every generation brings us closer to the return of the Lord. When Jesus returns and he sets up his millennial kingdom, what do you think people? How do you think people are gonna function? Are they gonna function from anxiety, worry, fear. Are they gonna function from constant punch in the air, warfaring, fighting Satan? No, they’re gonna function from this place of covenant rest. And so we’re this transitionary generation where we’re learning now on earth, as it is in heaven. We get to learn how to abide with him, and so it’s not all floating on clouds, it’s actually learning how to handle what’s going to come at us and have righteousness, peace and joy in the midst of trial, trauma and tribulation. Okay, are you following me? So learning how to live here is so important.

So if you look at I’m not gonna try to go in all of Hebrews three and four, but if you look at that all in context, it’s so important. So Hebrews three is talking about Jesus is the high priest. It’s talking to the Hebrews. He’s talking to the Hebrews who understand the priesthood. They understood that a high priest would come and serve in the temple, he would go in and he would make atonement. They understood these things. They understood that Moses and the Israelites were wandering in the wilderness. He’s going into that. He’s talking to them about the fact that the Israelites did not get to enter into the promise and the rest because of their unbelief. So I basically just summed up Hebrews three for you. So I’m gonna look at. We’re gonna kind of skip around just a little bit here because it’s important.

But covenant rest equals priesthood. Okay, listen to that. Covenant rest equals priesthood. Jesus is the high priest. We’re seated with him as priest in Kings. It says in 1 Peter we are a royal priesthood, we’re a holy nation, we’re God’s own possession. And so when we look at covenant rest, we have to also understand who we are in covenant with Christ, as priests and kings who are able to sit with him, hear what he’s saying, do what he’s doing and bring his will. How did he say pray, your kingdom come, your will be done on the earth as it is in heaven. These are all very spiritual principles. They’re not just head knowledge.

I grew up Methodist. We quoted the Lord’s prayer every single week monotonously. But there’s power in it and it’s not just talking about you saying his kingdom come. He’s talking about you sitting with him as a priest and a king, as a son and a daughter, to be able to restore what Adam and Eve lost back to the earth as it is in heaven. But if we don’t understand covenant rest, we will continuously war with the anxieties, worries, fears and circumstances around us. So it says let’s just do Hebrews seven I mean sorry, hebrews three versus seven.

Therefore, just as the Holy spirit says today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as when they provoked me, as in the day of trial and the wilderness where your fathers tried me by testing me and saw my works for 40 years. Therefore, I was angry with this generation and said they always go astray in their heart. They did not know my ways and I swore in wrath they will not enter my rest. The heading in my Bible says that peril of unbelief. Take care, brethren, that there are not, there’s not any evil in you. Believe sorry, take care, brethren, that there not be any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God, but be encouraged. But encourage one another day after day. Skip down just a little bit Verse 14,. For we have become partakers of Christ until we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end.

While it is said today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as when they provoked me. For who provoked them? When they had heard? Indeed, did not all those who came out of Egypt led by Moses? And with whom was he angry for 40 years? And was it not those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness? And whom did he swear that they would not enter his rest, but those who were disobedient? So we see that they were not able to enter because of unbelief. Remember when the scriptures were written? They were not breaks in the chapters.

Go to chapter four, verse one. Therefore, anytime you see it there for in scripture, always look above, look at the scriptures before it. Therefore, let us fear, if the promise remains of entering his rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it. For indeed, we have the good news preached to us, just as they did also, but the word they heard they did not profit them because it was not united with faith with those who heard. For we who have believed entered that rest, just as he has said Paul’s listen, I want you to hear the language. We who believed can enter, entered. This is so important, just as he has said. It is so important. Two things Ephesians two we are seated. Hebrews four three we have entered. What did Jesus say on the cross To telesteye? It is finished. So there is a finished work in covenant with Christ, that we have been seated in and that we have entered.

What’s the problem? Why and I asked the Lord this on the way here, I was like Lord what was the problem with the Israelites? Why was it such a harsh judgment that they could not enter the rest that was promised them? And of course we see it there in scripture. It says because of their unbelief. But the Lord also said to me he said it wasn’t just because they didn’t believe. He said it’s because they could not get unbelief out of them.

Despite his cloud by day and fire by night, despite the thundering voice on the mountain, despite the law that was given to them and the second opportunity, they continuously came back into the place of a lack of trust. They did not trust Yahweh. Who was Yahweh revealed to Moses? As Do you remember, I am. So what is I am? I am that I am. I am everything you need, at any place and time. I will be fire for you, I will be a cloud for you, I will be provision for you, I will be health to you. I will be everything you need. But at the same time, they could not get the unbelief out of their DNA. So, while Moses is on the mountain. They’re creating idols because they have a better control over something that they can make themselves, something that looked like the past, something that looked like the earth. Then they could control the circumstances of fire and lightning and thundering, and a voice that came from heaven saying I am your father.

The lack of belief wasn’t just they couldn’t believe it’s, they couldn’t receive and trust that he was indeed and is I am. Are you following me? It’s as simple as believing. See, we have such a struggle, especially in American culture. We want everything to be logical, we want everything to make sense and unfortunately, that’s what leads us to build golden calves, something that, listen. They took all the provision given to them, egypt, through all the gold, all the things, and just threw it out of them and told them to get out. They’d been in bondage for 400 years. I was telling my daughter this morning that’s longer than our nations and existed.

And if you look at the state of our nation, we’re no different. We quickly become the wicked and unbelieving generation that seeks after a son. You see, unbelief will cause you to say no, I don’t believe that you’re the Messiah unless you prove it to me again and again and again. It’s not about signs, wonders and miracles. He will manifest himself with signs and wonders and miracles If you believe he is Messiah, because he wants to use you to bring healing to the earth. But the wicked and perverse generation is still so stuck in unbelief that it’s a scoffing hardness of heart that says I will not believe you are the I am until you do something for me again. But then again is not good enough. I need you to do something else for me. And it’s not about being healed, delivered and set free. It’s about you prove to me who you are again. It’s the scoffing, it’s the scoffing heart. That’s the unbelieving heart. Do you know?

Elsewhere in scripture it also says, when the disciples went out to heal the sick and bring deliverance, that there was a situation where they could not bring deliverance and the boy was brought to Jesus and Jesus’s response was these only come out by prayer and fasting. Right, they ask, why could we cast it out? These only come out by prayer and fasting. I believe fully that he was talking about. These only come out whenever you set yourself apart and you get delivered of your unbelief.

Because, over and over throughout scripture, jesus does mighty things and the disciples still don’t get it. They’re over and over again saying like whenever he calms the waves, most people don’t realize. When he’s in the boat and he calms the waves, he just fed the 5,000, like 15 minutes ago, and he’s like you didn’t understand the miracle of the loaves and the fishes. So he says to them peace, be still. You still didn’t understand. So we’ve got to begin to ask him for understanding. We’ve got to listen. If I had time I would totally go into the seven fold spirit of God and be begging God to let me teach all that. I just can’t seem to do it. But the five, the seven fold spirit of God, one of those is a spirit of understanding. So we can’t just get revelation, we got to get understanding. Ask him for understanding, I want to understand. That’s the spirit of revelation. By the way, understanding is revealing, it’s unveiling, it’s unfolding it to you.

So if you go on and continue to read, I’m just going to read a little bit more in Hebrews four. So the word that they heard didn’t profit them because they didn’t have faith, for we who have believed have entered that rest, just as he has said. As I swore in my wrath, they shall not enter my rest, although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has said somewhere concerning the seventh day, and God rested on the seventh day from all his works. And again in this passage, they shall not enter my rest. Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience, he again fixes a certain day today, saying through David, after a long time, just as he has said before, if you hear his voice, do not harden your arms. Just think about that. I’m going to keep reading how many times. I want you to count how many times he said that If you hear my voice, don’t harden your heart, for if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken of another day after that. So there remains a Sabbath rest for people, for the people of God, for the one who has entered his rest and has himself also rested from his works, as God did from his. So let us be diligent to enter that rest so that no one will fall through following the same example of disobedience.

Verse 12,. We quote this out of content text all the time, for the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword dividing soul and spirit, both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart, and there is no creature hidden from his sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of him. Who we have to do? Therefore, since we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast to our confession. He talks about the High Priest who can sympathize with our weakness. Verse 16 says therefore, draw near with confidence to the throne of grace that we can receive mercy and find grace in the time of need. It is so important.

He, over and over and over again, says if you hear my voice, don’t harden your heart. If you hear my voice, don’t harden your heart. If you hear my voice, don’t harden your heart. He’s quoting the Old Testament. He’s quoting the Scriptures. I’ve called it the word that had gone forth to the Israelites. In every generation, god raises up messengers. In every generation, I promise you, if you go back and look through history, god always raises up voices. That will be his voice that will call us back to attention, call us back to repentance and to revelation of the covenant of Christ in every generation. He’s saying to this generation again if you hear my voice, don’t harden your heart.

That says to me that I have some kind of responsibility over my heart and, whether or not it gets hardened, I always have to point the finger back here. Here’s the problem. Whenever it comes to circumstances and anxieties and fears, we cannot control those things. If we do not understand, if we have unbelief and do not gain understanding in the covenant of Christ that we have and the place in which we sit, then we will fall prey to deafened ears and hardened hearts Because we will point the finger instead of at me. We will either point it at him or at them, and so, therefore, our heart will become hardened and it will become calloused Instead of saying Lord, create a new heart, renewal, right spirit in me, do not let me harden. My heart Calls me to come out of unbelief. I need to sit with you in heavenly places and abide with you, where I can rise above the circumstances.

He also says that there was a greater rest than even the Sabbath day, which is what they would have known as Hebrews being Shabbat, being the holy place of rest and peace. Shabbat means be still. Do you know that? That’s what it means. That’s what the Hebrew word for Sabbath means literally stop, and what he’s saying there is. There is a greater revelation than you just stopping all of your work. There’s more, and this is the invitation. There’s more, there’s always more, and what he’s saying is now you have access to the throne of God, where literally everything that is filled with with flesh, demonic activity and anxiety, has to stop, because you have a covenant that is so far beyond this world. You have been given access to eternity. You are actually your spirit. Man is in eternity. Did you know that you are eternal? If you are in Christ, you are eternal, not eternal later, eternal now.

But the problem is we always want to go back to the mortal. We still believe more in the mortal than we do the immortal. We believe more in the anxiety and what we see and feel around us than asking God to cause that old immortality to die with Christ. Daily I’m going to pick up my cross. That old mortality is dying with Christ Think about baptism and it’s being resurrected, and immortality, which means I am not limited to the anxieties of this earth.

But the point, your problem was time. You didn’t have enough time, and he was pointing out to me. I kept saying I don’t have time, I don’t have enough time, I don’t have it. It kept coming out of me. Lord, I don’t know how to do all this, I don’t have enough time. They’re on the way. I don’t have enough time. I got to get here, here and here all at the same time. I don’t have time, lord. How am I going to end? It was all about time. And do you know what he said to me? You are eternal, I am eternal, I live in time. Why are you trying to abide in the mortal when I created you? Immortal? It’s a different realm. It’s what Jesus won for us. It’s the greater place of rest. And so, if I don’t have to worry about time, if I know that he’s the Lord of time, he is both the Alpha and the Omega, somehow all at the same time. He is forever existed, yet he’s still Alpha and Omega. But we don’t believe that he can literally speak and everything will be still. And so, as I sat there trying to watch a dance, the Lord’s talking to me, he’s giving me a minor spanking and he’s inviting me into a covenant that I already have. God, like literal eternal rest.

If we could get this, we would also understand that death is a lie for the unbeliever. What is the greatest fear that everyone has? Death, right, terrified, don’t want it. It’s terrifying, it’s terrible. If something would happen to my kids, I don’t know what happened. We’ve been faced with that. Right, we got a miracle, but death is our greatest fear.

But if death is not true, if it’s only a shadow for the unbeliever, do we believe the gospel? If we believe the gospel, then Jesus took the sting of death and then perfect love drives out all fear, because fear has to do with torment. Then if we’re delivered from death and we live eternal life, then we’re also delivered from fear of death because we’re already in eternal life. Therefore, time itself, god, can do whatever he wants to with it If we’ll only trust him. And so even death itself cannot cause us to tremble.

I’m just re-preaching the gospel. This is our covenant, and so when we pray, it says do not pray as the Gentiles that they will be heard from many words, but go into your inner room and shut the door and pray to your father, who is in secret. He will hear you. I believe there’s a greater meaning to that. It means we don’t pray for the purpose of being heard by man, but for our many words and our many anxieties and our many fears. How many of us just pray from anxiety and pray from fear and pray from worry? How often do we pray from that place and we just go on and on and on and worry. He’s saying no, in my father’s house there are many rooms and if you had, I wouldn’t have told you this, if it weren’t true. He’s saying will you come into the room with me? I believe this is a greater thing than just going into private. It’s going into the realm where you’re called to sit in covenant, rest with him and your father, who is in secret, will hear you and he already knows what you need before you even pray it. But you only have to believe it. As long as we’re in anxiety, we’re babbling, babbling, babbling, frustrating, angry, frustrated, angry. And he loves us coming to him. He loves when we’re real to him, will listen. I get real with God. But what he’s saying is if you will, there’s a room for you. There’s a room for you in the heavenly realms when anxiety, fear and worry, circumstance, all these things literally have to stop. But it’s also says that we have to labor in his rest. What does that mean? That means we have to work at not working so hard in this realm. We have to change the way we work.

I wasn’t even going to tell anybody, but I drove. We were at the beach. I was at the beach today. I drove five hours. I’m driving five hours back, but I have no anxiety to worry. I’m supposed to be here right now. And I said I told my daughter this morning. I said it doesn’t concern me. Time means nothing to God. All we do is like he’s.

It says that all of our days were written in his book before one ever came to be. I think a Psalm 127. All of my days were written in your book before one ever came to be. So if I actually believe that he has all of my days written in his book before one ever came to be, he knows the worries, the fears, the trials, the anxieties. He knows what’s going to come at me. He also knows that if I will just ask him what is in his scroll, what is in his book for me today, and I’ll just do that and trust him that he’ll take care of everything else, why does it tell us don’t worry. Why does it tell us, don’t worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow has enough worries? We’re just like, yeah, I know that scripture, but oh my gosh, I’m so worried about tomorrow Because we don’t understand that it’s another room, it’s a different place we go.

We can’t get there from here. We have to get there from here to get there from covenant. We’ve got to change them. We’ve changed the way we’re coming and I’ve been like I said I’ve been in and out of this for several years. But since he said this to me, since he reached in and spanked my behind, it’s been like everything’s stopped and I’m in a season of my own personal life. Right now.

My kids are like growing up, their job of things are changing and graduation and college, and like so much wants to breathe, worry at me, so much wants to make me question whether or not I’ve parented well. Have I done well? Are they going to be okay or is the world going to get them? But then he begins to say no, but they’ve got. All their days are written in the book before whenever came to be.

And I send my messengers, I send my angels to attend to your children, to bring forth their, the will of God in their life. It’s just believing. And so when we come to him praying, let’s believe what we’re asking him. So Matthew 13, 21 to 23. This is the parable it says. But since he has no root, he remains only for a season.

When trouble and persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away. And in verse 22, the seed song among the thorns is the one who hears the word, but worries of this life and deceitfulness of wealth choke out the word and it becomes unfruitful. The worries of this world will choke this word out of you, not just what I’m speaking, but the revelation that comes. We so quickly can hear something like this, but if we don’t begin to pray it into ourselves, do you know that you need to pray for yourself? Put your hand on your own head and prophesy over yourself. Call out the word of God in yourself. That’s one of the most powerful things I ever learned. For years I used to go to all these powerful conferences and now I speak at some of them, but I don’t feel like I need a word. I need a word. I need a word. I need a word. I’m like bet me Now. It’s like don’t give me no word. I got words, he’s got. I got plenty of them, but I learned how to put my hand on my own head and call out him and me.

You take the word and you call it forth in yourself to learn how to abide in his rest. Simply doesn’t mean stopping everything. You can’t stop everything. You won’t be able to stop it. But if you can take yourself and quote Ephesians 2 6 and study into Hebrews 3 and 4 and begin to take the word and root it deeply in you and ask him do you know what repent means? It means change your mind. It means change the way you think of it. Begin to repent for the way you thought before and ask him to renew your mind every day. That’s how you labor into the rest. You work out of coming out of the flesh into the spirit. It says if you abide in the spirit, you will not be given to the desires of the flesh. So begin to pray. Lord, help me to sit in your presence, stay in your spirit.

Today a particular situation happened to me. One of my hardest things is like I actually reap a generational anxiety thing Okay, without going into details and this thing tries to come at me, all this anxiety from another person, and that is the hardest one, especially when it’s people close to you. All this tries to come at me from another person and that usually would have caused me to feel like I need to kind of help fix this person Right. I need to fix it, I need to stop it, I need to cause the bubble up to go down. And the Lord was like no, you live in the world, but not of it. You can live in this realm, but not of it. And immediately, even as this person was coming at me saying things worries, fears, all the things I literally closed my eyes and I am seated with you in heavenly places. I am in the world and not of it. I am not of it, I am not in this realm, I am not in this anxiety realm. I am seated with you. And as soon as I sat there, peace washed over me and God gave me peace. God gave me perfect words to say, and that particular situation melted like wax Because His words came out of my mouth, not because I responded with anxiety to anxiety. I responded to anxiety with the word of the Lord.

So we’re all learning this together and it’s beautiful, it’s powerful. He’s transitioning in gusts, he’s using us as transitionary people from one generation to the next. We must teach this generation how to come out of anxiety. How many of you on Instagram? This generation takes the word anxiety and wears it like a badge?

We must teach this generation how to abide in the spirit and, yes, a lot of us struggle with it. It comes at us, it is a spiritual thing, it is. It’s demonic. It is demonic, but as the day comes closer to the end of the age, we must learn how to come out of all of that. What does it say in Jeremiah 29? If you can’t run with the footmen, how are you going to run with the horses? The horses are coming. We can’t stop them, but we can rise above them. How do you think people handle persecution? They rise, they rise, they go up.

So, lord, I’m just going to pray us out. Lord, I just thank you that you are giving us a covenant. You have given us a covenant with you called rest. The blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony causes us to abide with you in a place that is not of this world. We’re literally not of this world, and right now I just speak out over those that are watching online, over those that are in the room. Peace be still.

I speak to anxiety, fear, worry, circumstantial concern and I say get out. Bow, bow to the knee, bow your knee to Jesus. King Jesus, one day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess and I just speak that right now. King Jesus is greater than worry, fear, anxiety, concern, trauma and Jesus name. Lord, I just pray right now that you would take us as a generation and pluck us out, like Zachariah 3. Pluck us out of this fiery inferno that says everything around us should be worshiped, everything but you. Fear and worry and anxiety should even be worshiped greater than you. Pluck us out, rebuke the accuser and set us in a place where we can abide in you and bring healing to our land. In Jesus name.

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How can women embrace their God-given call and stand tall in the ministry? Get ready to unpack hard-hitting questions and challenge long-held misconceptions on today’s enriching discussion with my esteemed guest, the phenomenal Dr. Jamie Morgan, author of “Her Calling Jamie”. We pull back the curtain on the eternal significance of women in the ministry and break down the key role of discernment in studying the Bible. Join us for an awe-inspiring journey that begins with the birth of Trailblazers, a ministry for women, rooted in a vision of an end time harvest of souls.

The stage is set for an open dialogue about the contentious issue of women in ministry. With a keen focus on the scriptures often used to dispute this, we underscore the urgent need to develop a personal theology of women in ministry. In shifting our perspective, we confront those who argue pointlessly and encourage them to answer for themselves as we continue our mission to win souls. We also shed light on the reality of the enemy’s tactics to silence the gospel and the remarkable role of women in leading the underground church in China. 

The power of prayer takes center stage in the final part of our conversation, emphasizing the significance of having a prayer team in ministry. Hear the fascinating story of how God led Dr. Jamie to find intercessors and how a woman named Joanne adopted her as a prayer assignment. We explore the transformative journey from being a ministry leader to becoming one who dwells with God in the heavenly realms, urging listeners to let the knowledge of God shape their identity. Join us as we inspire you to let go of the past, cherish the worth of Jesus, and move away from spiritual apathy. This is not just an episode. It’s a wake-up call for women to rise and respond to their calling in the ministry.

Where to dive in:

(0:00:00) – Trailblazing Women in Ministry (7 Minutes)

We unpack the importance of discernment when studying the Bible and discuss the need for women to step into their God-given call. My guest today is Dr. Jamie Morgan, who has written a book called “Her Calling Jamie”. We tackle the difficult questions and what causes women to pull back from their calling. We also explore how Jamie and I met at a conference and what inspired her to create a ministry for women, Trailblazers. Lastly, Jamie shares a vision God gave her about an end time harvest of souls and the urgency of the hour to identify, gather, mobilize, and mentor women called to the ministry.

(0:07:23) – Challenging Women’s Ministry Belief System (4 Minutes)

We explore the issue of women in ministry and the scriptures that are often used to oppose it. We discuss the importance of developing a personal theology of women in ministry and the discernment to know when to respond to critics. And when faced with those who argue for the sake of arguing, we challenge them to answer for themselves as we go out and win souls.

(0:11:34) – Women in Ministry and Prayer Power (10 Minutes)

We explore the reality of the enemy’s tactics to shut down the gospel and the incredible impact that women have had on leading the underground church in China. We look at Paul’s instructions in 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy, examining the discernment needed to distinguish between a universal principle in the word of God versus a specific situation that needed to be corrected at that time in the scripture. My guest today is Dr. … and together we discuss the importance of understanding the context of scripture and the incredible impact of women in the church.

(0:21:31) – Rising Above Excuses and Religion (12 Minutes)

We examine the power of prayer and the significance of having a prayer team in ministry. We explore how God spoke to my guest about finding intercessors and how a woman named Joanne took her on as a prayer assignment. We emphasize why it is essential to become one who sits with God in the heavenly realms and how ministry leaders often have not allowed the knowledge of God to become part of their identity. We urge the audience to forget the past, focus on the worth of Jesus, and move away from apathy.

About the guest: Dr. Jamie Morgan is an ordained minister who has been in ministry for decades as a senior pastor, teacher of the Word, evangelist, revivalist, reformer, a prophetic voice, conference speaker, podcaster, TV show host, author, and mentor. She has published four books and writes for Charisma and other global publications. Her podcast, Fire Starter, is rated in the top 1% of podcasts globally. Dr. Jamie is founder of ⁠Trailblazer Mentoring Network⁠, a mentoring movement for women in ministry. She obtained her Master’s degree in Practical Theology from Oral Roberts University and Doctor of Ministry from the Assemblies of God Theological Seminary.

About the host: Tammie Southerland is the host of Burning Messengers and the author of Permission To Bur: Breaking the Chains of Compromise from a Holy Generation. She is also a speaker and prophetic minister. She releases the sound authentic of revival and  messages from heaven as she travels. Her lifestyle is one of prayer and digging deep into the Word of God, her desire is to releasing the Heart of The Father in these last days. She moves in power ministry and is known for releasing the Matthew 3:11 “baptism of Holy Fire” as she goes.

 

Buy Tammie’s Book “Permission to Burn: Breaking the Chains of Compromise from a Holy Generation” herehttps://a.co/d/cznvVYK 

Transcript


0:00:00 – Jaime Morgan
I would say that we have to have when we’re studying the Word of God on any topic. We have to have the discernment to be able to distinguish between a universal principle in the Word of God versus a specific situation that needed to be corrected.

0:00:23 – Tammie Southerland
Hi and welcome back to The Burning Messengers. We have a powerful show for you. If you’re a woman and you’ve ever had a desire to serve the Lord in any capacity of ministry, you need to stay with us. Through this whole entire interview, we’re gonna talk about some of the difficult questions. We’re gonna talk about what it is that causes women to maybe pull back and not step out into their God-given call. My guest today is her name is Dr Jamie Morgan, and she has written a powerful book called Her Calling Jamie. Thank you so much for joining me on this show. Your message is so vital right now for women and I can’t wait for you to share and really stoke the fire in the hearts of those women that are listening today and the guys that wanna understand how to get behind their girls, how to get behind their wives and their daughters to step into their calling. So, jamie, thank you so much for being here.

0:01:18 – Jaime Morgan
Tammy, thank you so much for having me, and I honor you, you mighty woman of God. I thank you for everything you do for the Lord, and thank you for allowing me to be on your show today.

0:01:30 – Tammie Southerland
Absolutely, guys. Jamie and I connected at a conference that was really multifaceted. It was communicators, and some of them were spirit-filled girls and some of them weren’t Some of them really. Honestly. Jamie may not really understood fully their calling, but Jamie and I ended up sitting at the table beside each other and it was like fireworks.

You know and so thankful that I got to be there because it’s like you know, jamie, when I met you, i was like man, this is a woman after my own heart Like her heart is burning in the same way as mine, and first thing I thought is we need women like this, to call women in my age group and younger out, and that’s what you do, like you’re a trailblazer. You have a ministry called Trailblazers, and so I’m excited to hear more about that. But what really put that? what was that for you? What put that on your heart to really set the stage to blaze the trail for women and it’s mentoring right. So, like, what started that in you?

0:02:34 – Jaime Morgan
So what happened was I have stood in a lot of different ministry roles. I have been a teacher of the word, an evangelist. I was a senior pastor for 15 years and the last two years that I was a senior pastor I could feel the grace lifting to pastor, and you know, we know, that what we do is only by the grace of God, like for sure, for sure, for sure.

But when the grace begins to lift, like you know, it’s only by the grace of God And at the same time that grace was lifting to pastor a local church, another grace was descending And for a while I was like God what are you doing? What are you calling me to do? What is the new? I knew that my departure as senior pastor was on the horizon, but didn’t know what the next season was gonna look like, and I always describe it like I felt like I was tumbling down Niagara Falls in a barrel, not knowing which end was up.

Transition in ministry can be very hard. Our lives are lived in seasons and there’s a reason for every season in transition. The whole way of transition connects those seasons. So one day, tammy, i was again, once again God, what are you doing? What is the new? And God gave me, he encountered me with my call for this season and, until I take my last breath, through a vision. And in the vision I saw a harvest field And it was a harvest field Like.

We’ve all seen pictures of harvest fields. We even may have them hanging in our office or our homes. This was the most beautiful harvest field I had ever seen. It was lush, it was lavish, it was ripe and it went on as far as the eye could see. And then part two of the vision God zoomed in. It’s like you can zoom in with your video camera, your camera phone, and I saw a specific harvest field. And in this harvest field, in this part two of the vision, i see, tammy, these round black discs, intermittently placed in the harvest, in the harvest field, and I said, god, what are they? They were about the size of a baseball base and they were every so often. And the Lord said those are placeholders.

0:04:57 – Tammie Southerland
That.

0:04:57 – Jaime Morgan
I placed in the harvest field before the foundation of the world, and he said they are reserved for laborers. And he said, and I could, tammy, you know how, when God imparts his heart to you, you can just feel. I could feel the grief in God’s heart. And the Lord said to me. he said, and as you can see, most of the placeholders reserved for those for laborers remain vacant. Wow. And then he spoke these words to me.

He said there is an urgency of the hour. And he said I need all hands on deck, both male as well as female. And then he gave me my mandate. He said I have called you to identify, gather, mobilize and mentor Women called to the ministry to take their place in the end time harvest of souls, in whatever their area of ministry specialization is. And we’re, all you know, we’re all so different in what God has called us to do, whether it’s behind the pulpit or it’s to raise up an online ministry or to raise up a marketplace ministry, the women I mentor. their callings are so varied and different from each other.

And so I was like, wow, God, that wasn’t. Honestly. I I’ve always, I’ve always been comfortable working with men. To be honest with you.

0:06:30 – Tammie Southerland
A lot of us feel that way. It’s funny.

0:06:32 – Jaime Morgan
I was in corporate America And so I was, like many times, the only woman in the boardroom. And then, as a senior pastor, i went to minister meetings and I was usually well, i was the first Female senior pastor in my denomination and the is that was a God in the state of New Jersey, and so I was always the only woman and I said really, god? and he said yeah, he’s, and he was like, he imparted to me the urgency of the hour And so I said yes, lord, to your will and to your way.

0:07:03 – Tammie Southerland
And that’s when I planned my departure from the church and I began planning Trailblazer mentoring network to mentor women called to the ministry So powerful, and the funny thing about that is is I’ve heard this story so many times, or recently was in an interview with the Haviland Ford. You know it’s a similar conversation. I, you know, never thought God was gonna call me into women’s ministry and here I am. You know, it seems to be something that the Lord’s doing right now, with powerful women Who are already in ministry and pivoting us back towards, looking at one another and saying, listen, it’s time to mentor, it’s time to raise up and it’s time to send out, and and he’s got his eye on his daughters, and so it’s such a beautiful, powerful thing.

I love the imagery of the harvest field and the placeholders, and that’s one of the reasons you wrote this book is to bring women into the place, to knowing that they are called. But you know, it seems like there’s an issue with the, i guess, a belief system of if we are called, you know, how do we walk in it? or, and are we really called? There’s so many scriptures that we feel like are used to say women aren’t supposed to be in ministry. Jamie, how do you respond to that kind of question? And you know what’s your desire, especially with writing your book and mentoring women to get them past that stronghold.

0:08:29 – Jaime Morgan
Yeah, that is such a good question. Those scriptures and first Corinthians and first Timothy are used by Naysayers, critics, opposers to women in ministry, and they hurl those two scriptures at us like stones To try to stone us to death. So that we will, yeah, with with the intention that we will not answer our call. And To that I say first of all, every woman called to the ministry needs to develop her own personal Theology of women in ministry. Like, if you don’t have that, i agree, if you don’t have that deep in your heart, you will always have some type of hesitancy or tentativeness. Or, you know, if, like, if you don’t know, then then the people around you aren’t going to be sure. And so that’s step one, not for anybody else other than you, really. And then having the discernment to know When to answer the critics and when not to mm-hmm, because there are some people that will ask the word

really Yeah, they really like, they really want to know. Like they, maybe they would grew up in a maybe a Calvinistic type church setting that did not allow women to answer the call of God in their lives and and maybe they’re genuinely wanting to know like, show me the scriptures and So you know, in those cases where I’m discerning, the person’s heart really wants to know, i will sit down with them and have a Bible study and show them. We take the full counsel of God Into consideration when developing, when developing our, our doctrinal belief system, not just pulling two scriptures out and basing our entire theology on that.

Yes so And and the other. But most people that that ask are really Oh, how can I say this? They just want to argue. They want to argue for the sake of arguing, that’s true. And so my response, my response to them is you know what You sit down and argue like with yourself and I’m gonna go out and win souls. That’s so good because, honestly, like I tell people They think that they’re theologians, they’re like they hurl those two scriptures that I mentioned earlier at us and it’s, it’s like this. It’s like going to the famous amusement park. Okay, you go to the famous amusement park and you only visit the hot dog stand and stroller rental. And then you come home from your vacation at that famous amusement park and you say, oh, i know that amusement park inside and out And I’m an expert in all things. Famous amusement park. That’s what it’s like when you pull those two scriptures out and to try to use it against women of God.

0:11:22 – Tammie Southerland
Yep, and this is a question that I have for you When we’re talking about this, i know personally, for years I wrestled with this in my heart because I personally wanted to be right. I wanted to be pure before the Lord. I didn’t want to be right. I want to be righteous, right. I want to be pure before the Lord. I wanted to walk out, whatever his calling was, and I grew up in one of those backgrounds And so I wrestled through those things And I think a lot of women and men both wrestled through them.

What is your response to a woman, or even her husband, that’s sitting there right now and says you know, i hear what you’re saying, jamie, but help us to get past this religious stronghold in our minds, because I really want to launch my wife or I want to launch out, but these things are screaming in my face and every time I step out, it seems like those stones are getting hurled at me. How do you respond to that? Those that are actually hungry because, yes, a lot are just wanting to have an argument, a lot are just wanting to throw stones. But what do you say to those who are like I really am just trying to find the truth. I know who God is, i know his character, i know the word, but I just seem to keep hitting this wall.

0:12:40 – Jaime Morgan
Yeah, that’s good. I would say that we have to have when we’re studying the word of God on any topic. We have to have the discernment to be able to distinguish between a universal principle in the word of God versus a specific situation that needed to be corrected at that time in the scripture. So this, for example, the scriptures that I made reference to in 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy. They are scriptures that say you know, women should be quiet, women shouldn’t teach. You know women, you know, just ask your husbands the questions, et cetera.

That was a specific situation that went on at a specific church and it wasn’t a universal principle. That would be like me. Let me give you this analogy I walk into my local church on Sunday morning and I stopped at the convenience store. I have a cup of coffee in my hand and I sit down and I’m clumsily trying to set up Here. I get my Bible and I knock the coffee over and it’s all over the rug, i mean, and after the service the pastor takes me aside and he says, jamie, could you not bring coffee into the sanctuary anymore, because you just left the stain on the rug, like that would be like making a doctrine.

0:14:01 – Tammie Southerland
Like no more coffee, like turning that into a doctrine, yeah.

0:14:04 – Jaime Morgan
Right until Jesus returns, in any church all around the world. Yeah, yeah, it’s taking specific situations that happened in that moment. And it’s interesting, paul the apostle wasn’t in those passages. He wasn’t making women taboo, women in ministry taboo, he was making heresy taboo. He was making disorder taboo. And so we have to have a discernment to say is this a universal principle or was this a specific congregation, a group of women coming in teaching false doctrine, heresy?

that you know, of course false teachers can be men or women and they need to be shut down, and that’s what Paul was doing, And it’s something else that’s interesting. The scripture that says women need to be silent, just silent, just silent in the church, I think about that passage is in 1 Corinthians. In 1 Corinthians as well, there are two other be silent scriptures. Be silent those that speak in tongues and those that prophesy. Now we know that speaking in tongues, and prophecy and all the gifts of the Holy Spirit are for today.

0:15:19 – Tammie Southerland
Right.

0:15:20 – Jaime Morgan
We know that for today. But Paul the apostle was keeping order in the church, Like it’s already been three messages, that’s enough. You know, or you know, and so be silent. in 1 Corinthians was about tongues, prophecy and women, And he was correct, something that was happening in that moment. using so that we can use it as a guide. Do not keep God as a God of order. keep order. And yeah, false teachers had to be shut down, but God. but Paul the Apostle was not shutting down women in ministry, He was shutting down heresy.

0:15:56 – Tammie Southerland
Right, yeah, and even before you know he says that, where we see that be silent scripture, he’s actually encouraging everyone to speak in tongues and everyone to prophesy. Exactly Something that’s often misunderstood is the context of that.

0:16:14 – Jaime Morgan
It’s a context. Taking scripture out of context and making an isolated scripture a specific situation in a specific church at a specific space of time, basing your doctrine upon it. And listen. The enemy, let’s face it, let’s be real in some circles, in some denominations and some churches has been successful at shutting down the women. Yeah, because of these doctrines of demons. You know, really, i mean listen, listen. If I were the devil and I wanted to stop the gospel from being preached, what would I do? I would tell not half, not half. Two thirds. Women comprised two thirds of the church. I would tell the women they can’t preach.

0:17:03 – Tammie Southerland
So there you go.

0:17:04 – Jaime Morgan
Like, there it is.

0:17:06 – Tammie Southerland
That’s good. That’s good In your book actually, I think it’s J Lee Grady’s introduction, and he talks about the women in China and the number. I can’t remember the number you’ll have to remind me. I don’t know. Five thousand a day, I don’t know. You have to remind me of the number, Thousands upon thousands, upon thousands of souls being saved in China and the underground church and the women that are leading the underground church. And J Lee Grady makes the statement while the women in China are underground winning souls, we’re still over here in America, in the West, fighting over whether or not they can speak.

0:17:41 – Jaime Morgan
There it is. Isn’t that the truth? I mean, it’s so true Women I think about, you know, in South Korea. South Korea used to have the largest church in the world and it was. It was women driven. It was women that were released to be self-church pastors or house church pastors. I mean, where women are released to do ministry, you will see revival.

0:18:04 – Tammie Southerland
Yeah, well, that leads me to the next question here. So where we see women in ministry, we see revival. Why do you think that is? I think I know why, but why do you think women are going to birth revival? Like what is it that we carry? that’s so different.

0:18:21 – Jaime Morgan
Yeah, you know, it’s interesting. when I went to Israel I’ve been there twice and I was talking to our tour guide on the last trip and he was, he was teaching about modern-day shepherds, you know, like shepherds that exist today, where they’re actually taking care of sheep and a pasture, and he says he says we have found that women make the best shepherds, he said because they carry their both. he was unsaved. So he said they’re both feisty and loving. They carry a fire, the fire of God, but they also know how to love and show compassion and bind up wounds and the combination, you know, we’ll set the captives free, yeah.

0:19:06 – Tammie Southerland
And I would add this the womb of prayer. Yes, i believe that there is a certain. There’s a certain type of intercession, a groaning intercession And you know this is my topic I love to talk about But there’s a groaning intercession within the womb of a woman of being able to feel and sense and discern and nurture what God is doing in the earth for a particular generation, and that’s a motherhood. I believe it’s a motherhood type of DNA, spiritual DNA that causes our hearts to be gripped with the feelings of God and the longings of God And then thereby looking at children, looking at a generation that is without him, and actually identifying with that kind of travail, like a woman in labor. And I think those things all work together. And I just I throw that out there because you talk about prayer in your book and you believe so strongly in a woman who’s called an ministry. Honestly, anybody I know we’re targeting women right now developing this prayer life. Yeah, why is that prayer life so important?

0:20:21 – Jaime Morgan
Yeah, it’s so important because and I tell women, that’s your first step, you want to take a first step to ministry. It’s your individual prayer life and asking those around you about forming an intercessory prayer shield. It’s important because it’s prayer is the immune system of the body of Christ, it’s the immune system of our ministry, it’s the immune system of our lives. And so when we know in the natural, when someone has a strong, robust immune system, they can stave off disease before they even have symptom one. That bad cell or that virus or you know whatever bad bacteria can just be eradicated before you even know. You didn’t even know you’re sick. But when our immune system is weak, we can get everything that comes along the pike, things that we wouldn’t normally be open to. We are open to everything And that I liken the immune system of the human body to the intercessory prayer system of your life, your minister, your family, your church. So that is step one for any woman that feels that she has a call of God on her life. And I want to just add to that that the Lord spoke to me a couple of years before I was in the ministry, before he launched me, i should say, through a prophet.

A prophet came to my church and she said Jamie, she said God is getting ready to launch you and you need to ask him for intercessors. And I was like, ok, ok, i was kind of a new revelation to me, back all those decades ago. And so I said God, i don’t even know who to ask, but I ask you that you would, you know, start with one person. And you would, you would, you would speak to her heart. And a couple of weeks later, in in church, this woman named Joanne walks up to me and she said God, he encountered me in a dream And in the dream he said Jamie, morgan, is your prayer assignment until you take your last breath? And it was like it’s even God speaks it, there’s no getting around it. Like, yes, god sometimes has us approach people, and that’s of him as well. But he literally started and now I have a intercessory prayer team. She is now my lead intercessor, but now she trains intercessors to pray for me in my ministry.

0:22:42 – Tammie Southerland
Yeah, that’s, that is such a blessing. And, jamie, you’ve become that for me. I’m honored, i am honored, i am honored.

0:22:51 – Jaime Morgan
I am honored.

0:22:52 – Tammie Southerland
I am so thankful for that. I will tell you, this lady decided that she was going to take me on as a prayer assignment because she saw how bad I needed it, and it is such a blessing. And so, guys, it’s both and it’s. You have to develop your own prayer life, like you have to become one who sits with him in the heavenly realms. You aren’t going to minister to anybody if you’re not ministering to God. What are you going to do?

Like and Jamie, i think this is one of the fallacies of ministry across the board is we get excited and we think, oh, god’s called me to ministry, you want to get in front of people, but we’ve not really allowed the knowledge of God to get into our own DNA.

And and as I’m just like speaking right now, but those that are watching, those that are listening, this message, this podcast, is for you guys, the burning messengers. God’s raising you up as a voice, but I can’t ever emphasize enough how important it is that you live in love with him, love sick for him, getting your revelation that you’re delivering to others in your bones first before you release it to anybody else, because it’s for you. And that’s so important, jamie, as people begin to step out and, as God is like raising up these places that you said you saw the space holders in the harvest field. How would you encourage them? right now? I just want you to take a few minutes to to really just speak to the audience, to pray for them, to encourage them to share prophetically even anything that’s on your heart.

0:24:28 – Jaime Morgan
Yeah, I would love to, first of all, ladies and men who are called of the Lord, i encourage you to rip off the rearview mirror of your past. I hear so many say, oh, but God can’t use me, i feel so unworthy. All these excuses. We all have a past and we’re all. We all. We all needed the. We all needed Jesus to save us from our sins. And so rip off that rearview mirror and focus on the worth of Jesus. Yeah, see, if we’re walking around saying I’m so unworthy, we don’t have a revelation of the worth of Jesus And our eyes are on ourselves and not on him. And so camp out in scriptures that talk about the worth of Jesus. Let that revelation renew your mind with that, with those scriptures, and let it become a deep heart revelation. And I want to say that so many women and men but I’m going to speak to women right now are on the sidelines. I just see some women on the sidelines of letting distractions get in the way of what you know. You already know what God has called you to do, but this comes up and that comes up and you feel like you’re on a hamster wheel, the hamster wheel of life, and you’re in survival mode. And the Lord is saying to you take a good look at the people you’ve surrounded yourself with which is, by the way, very huge And also the things you’re allowing in your life to cause distractions from God’s ultimate purpose, because I live my life from a place of no regret. Now, i’m going to have plenty of them. I mean, we all are, we’re going to have regrets, but I try to live my life from a place of having as few as possible, and the biggest, biggest, biggest regret of all for me would be to graduate to heaven and have Jesus say did you reach the people I’ve called you to reach? Did you pray the prayers I’ve called you to pray? Did you say the things I’ve called you to say? Did you go to places I’ve called you to go to? And then I pull one excuse out of my back pocket after the next as to why I didn’t. Well, i was too afraid, jesus. I died for that. Well, Jesus, i didn’t have the money. I died for that. Well, jesus, i was too depressed, i couldn’t get out of bed. I died for that. Well, jesus, it doesn’t matter what excuses. And so I want to say to every woman listening and watching rise up, rise up from the sidelines of apathy, rise up from the sidelines of offense, rise up from the injured players list, rise up from the place of woundedness, rise up from the place of fear and the place of depression.

There is a old songwriter, years ago, keith Green, and he had this in his song. He said Jesus rose from the dead and you can’t even get out of bed. Rise up, rise up, rise up. Either we believe in the resurrection of Jesus or we don’t. Either we believe God is Jehovah Jireh or we don’t. Either we believe he’s Jehovah Rafa or we don’t, or Jehovah Nisi or we don’t.

And so rise up, woman of God, and begin to walk in what you might kind of sort of think, perhaps that God has called you to do, and, as you do, listen a rock that is rolling is easier to navigate than a boulder that’s stationary. You will never find your call or walk in the fullness of your call, sitting on your couch with a remote control in one hand, a tub of popcorn in the other, binge watching Netflix, even if you’re seeking Jesus. Jesus, tell me what I’m called to do, which we should see, jesus, obviously, but until we put our hand to the plow and start doing something and start maybe it’s children’s ministry. I’m not called. My ultimate calling wasn’t to children, but for years I did children’s ministry. Because guess what, tammy? There was some things that those babies in the nursery needed to teach me, like faithfulness. Like when you’re faithful with the little, god will give you much. Like a servant’s heart. Like showing up when you don’t feel like it. Like being just faithfulness. And so rise up, women of God.

0:28:51 – Tammie Southerland
Wow, that is so good. I love everything you just said. I felt my heart was burning. Guys, i know that if you’re listening, if you’re watching, right now, if you’re staying through this thing with us, you are getting ignited. You are actually getting activated right now, whether you realize it or not, and God is putting His finger on certain things. You’ve had excuses and right now they just got torched. In case you didn’t realize it, your excuses just got set on fire And it’s beautiful.

And as Jamie was talking, i thought the number one issue that we have is a spirit of religion, and all these arguments and all these stones that are hurled to keep anyone back from doing what God created us to do, and that is to release the Great Commission, to do what He said to do to go into all the world and preach the good news.

The number one hindrance that you have is a spirit of religion, and I think, right now, god wants to deliver you from that, jamie. I think God wants to deliver some people from the spirit of religion that has kept them, kept and kept them bound, and I just declare to you right now that thing is breaking off of your life and clarity is coming to you And all of the trauma associated with religious boxes. Religious confusion is being broken right now and being healed, and I declare to you right now that your ears are going to get you here, your eyes are going to see and you’re going to step into who you are, and it’s not going to be rebellious, because the Holy Spirit doesn’t rebel against Himself. I’ve heard that so many times, jamie, i don’t want to be rebellious. Well, holy Spirit doesn’t rebel against Himself.

0:30:22 – Tammie Southerland
Yes.

0:30:22 – Tammie Southerland
Live a lifestyle of prayer and in the word and you’re going to align with Him. Stop being afraid and step out of the boat and be who He’s called you to be. And I also want to say this it doesn’t necessarily have to look like a platform. It can be you being in the business realm. It could be you being at home with your kids. It could be it takes different phases and different seasons throughout your life. Being in ministry looks like being in Him and letting Him flow through you.

0:30:52 – Jaime Morgan
Yes, amen, amen, amen.

0:30:56 – Tammie Southerland
Jamie, this has just been. It’s been incredible to have you here with us. Guys, i want you to get your hands on this book. Her calling a woman’s guide to fulfilling her God-given destiny Eat it up. She’s got some amazing, incredible things in here. She starts out this book with affirming all the fears, all the hurts, all the broken places. She speaks directly to those things And, jamie, i want you to know I teared up reading that first chapter of that book as you just began to speak into those pains and in repentance For all the things that have taken place.

I began to tear up and my soul began to get healed in places, and so thank you so much for doing that Tell us we’re going to put all the links in the description below, but tell us how we can get in touch with you and yeah, that kind of thing.

0:31:52 – Jaime Morgan
Yeah, so you can access my mentoring website. My network again is trailblazer mentoring network. The website is trailblazermentoringcom. Trailblazermentoring.com. I would love, i would be honored to mentor, to mentor you into whatever you’re calling is, and my book her calling a woman’s guide to fulfilling her God-given destiny can be purchased and through Amazon or anywhere books are sold.

0:32:23 – Tammie Southerland
Awesome, awesome, all right. Thank you, jamie, for joining us. Thank you all your burning messengers, for coming on and being a part of our culture, a part of our podcast. We want to encourage you to that. We want you to see you equipped, we want to see you sent, we want to see you living a lifestyle where you’re thriving and you’re burning. And so remember you don’t have to burn alone. There’s others out there like you that want to know who they are. You just got to find your people. Thank you so much for joining us again and we’ll see you next time.

0:32:59
Thank you for listening to this episode of burning messengers. You don’t want to miss what’s coming next week. So if you haven’t subscribed, please do so wherever you listen to podcasts. And if this word touched your heart, please rate and review the show on Apple podcasts. To connect with Tammy, follow her on social media or visit frontlinefire.org. You don’t have to burn alone.

 

Join me on a journey of revelation and renewal, as we delve into Ezekiel, chapter 10, an exploration filled with divine imagery and profound lessons. You’ll gain a deeper understanding of this enigmatic chapter as we unveil the meaning behind the departure of God’s glory from the temple, the appearance of the man clothed in linen (Jesus), and the release of the altar’s coals to purify. We’ll also take you through a celestial tour featuring angels, whirling wheels, and fire, and a stop at the East gate where the cherubim stand still, and the Lord’s glory ascends.

 

Throughout this journey, we never lose sight of the real-world meaning of these revelations, discussing the importance of anchoring our identity in Jesus, not in our careers or platforms. We’ll share how faith can be a beacon in these trying times and how prayer can empower and comfort us. If you need prayer or reassurance, remember that we are here for you, ready to lend an ear and a comforting voice. Let’s embark on this enlightening journey together, as we unpack the prophetic, powerful, and pure message from this throne room revelation.

 

Where to dive in:

(0:00:01) – Revival and the Removal of Idols (16 Minutes)

Ezekiel, chapter 10 reveals what happens when God’s glory departs from the temple. The man clothed in linen, which is Jesus, releases the coals of the altar to bring purification. The angels, the whirling wheels and the fire are all present. The cherubim stand still at the entrance of the East gate, at the Lord’s house, and the glory of the Lord goes up from the cherubim.

 

(0:16:13) – Identity in Jesus, Not Platforms/Careers (1 Minutes)

We emphasize the significance of staying devoted to our faith in the Lord. We discuss the necessity of discovering our identity in Jesus and how prayer can provide solace and power. We also urge our listeners to contact us if they require prayer and assurance that we are here for them.

 

About the host: Tammie Southerland is the host of Burning Messengers and the author of Permission To Bur: Breaking the Chains of Compromise from a Holy Generation. She is also a speaker and prophetic minister. She releases the sound authentic of revival and  messages from heaven as she travels. Her lifestyle is one of prayer and digging deep into the Word of God, her desire is to releasing the Heart of The Father in these last days. She moves in power ministry and is known for releasing the Matthew 3:11 “baptism of Holy Fire” as she goes.

 

Buy Tammie’s Book “Permission to Burn: Breaking the Chains of Compromise from a Holy Generation” herehttps://a.co/d/cznvVYK 

Full Transcript:


0:00:01 – Tammie Southerland
Are you willing? Are you willing to lay down your idols and raise up a generation? in truth, you see, in this season he’s going to remove everything that hinders everything that hinders everything that we’re idolizing. If you believe that Jesus is your career, you’re going to find Jesus as the love of your life, or the ground is going to open up, like you did for the core of theites. That’s a whole other word. Judgment, yes, and justice, yes. Glory, yes. But if you look at Romans 8, 18, glory doesn’t come without the suffering. There is no place in the Word of God where you find that people are not experiencing trial before the glory. And if you look at this in Ezekiel, chapter 10, you would think that glory is all over the temple, that glory is departing the temple in order to drive his people back to himself, cause repentance and bring a generation out of the clenches of Satan. Welcome to Burning Messengers hosted by Tammy Sutherland. Stay tuned for a prophetic, powerful and pure message of throne room revelation.

I’ve been in a series of encounters with the Lord over the past probably three to four days. I don’t typically talk about these in the open unless the Lord has actually told me to speak about these publicly. 90% of what the Lord speaks to me is intimacy, it’s prayer. It may come out in a message somewhere in bits and pieces, but I don’t typically say this is the encounter I had and I’m going to tell you that encounter. It’s not about the encounter, but I woke up two mornings ago hearing five super loud knocks on the door. It was super loud in the spirit. I did not know that it was in the spirit Initially.

I was in a deep sleep and I woke up straight out of my bed and I literally said to the Lord unless somebody’s dying, i am not getting up. That was my response. I’m just being real. I was tired, didn’t want to get up, goes off to sleep for a couple more seconds and I heard the Lord say get up. I checked my phone and several messages from different friends going through major situations. Someone was dying, so get up. And I began to pray.

And the Lord takes me to the book of Ezekiel, where the glory departs from the temple. I recently released a message about the shaking that is coming and it’s specifically was talking about the next two to three months. The Lord’s begun to speak to me about the next two to three years. We’re entering into a season of true shaking, and I say this with all fear and trembling. If you look at Ezekiel, chapter 10, the glory departs from the temple. Without reading it all to you want to explain to you what’s going on here, i’ll read some, it says.

Then I looked and behold, the expanse was over the heads of the cherubim, something like a sapphire stone and the appearance of a resembling a throne Appeared above them. and he spoke to the man clothed in linen and said enter between the whirling wheels under the cherubim and fill your hands with coals and fire And between the cherubim and scatter them over the city. He entered my sight. Now the cherubim was standing on the right side of the temple with the man entered in the cloud field. The inner corpse, the glory of the Lord, went up from the cherubim to the threshold of the temple and the temple was filled with a cloud and the court was filled with the brightness of the glory, the Lord. Moreover, the sounds of the wings of the cherubim were heard as far as the outer court, with the voice of the Almighty when he speaks. And he commanded about he, and it came about when he commanded the man clothed in linen saying take the fire from between the whirling wheels and between the cherubim And he stood beside a wheel And the cherubim stretched out his hand between the cherubim and the fire which was between the cherubim, and took some and put into the hands of the one clothed in linen and took it out and went out. The cherubim appeared to have the form of a man’s hand under the wings.

I’m gonna pause right there. What I just read to you sounds like revival. What I just read to you sounds like the angelic host of heaven have come to visit the temple. But as we continue to read, we see that this visitation, where the glory comes and the sound of the wings of the cherubim can be heard all the way into the outer courts, is an encounter of the Lord coming to retrieve himself, to remove his glory from the temple. You see, the concern is as the Lord took me here and I read into chapter 10 and chapter 11, is that we would believe that we fully entered into revival, the.

Can you imagine the power, the presence of the Lord that was tangible in the temple? This is the man clothed in linen. That is Jesus, yeshua himself. The coals of the altar are being released to bring purification. We’re asking for the fire of God to come and purify The angels. Show up the whirling wheel. When whirling wheels, the fire, the creatures have shown up.

But as we continue to read, it says in verse 18, then the glory of the Lord departed from the threshold of the temple and stood over the cherubim. And when the cherubim departed and lifted up their wings and rose up from the earth, in my sight the wheels beside them, they stood still at the entrance of the East gate, at the Lord’s house, and the glory of the Lord, the God of Israel, hovered over them. And he begins to explain more of what they look like. You see, this is the chariots of fire. It says that these cherubim carried the presence of God himself In all of this manifestation. You and I would have thought this is it, this is what we prayed for, this is what we crapped out for. He’s moving, he’s pouring out a spirit, he’s releasing the colds, the purity, but what he was doing was removing his glory. Why am I telling you this? Because if we continue to read in chapter 11, it says that the evil doers will be judged, and that he’s actually doing it in order to restore Israel to our homeland, his people. He’s calling them back to himself. He’s calling them out of their idolatry.

If you continue to read in Zinquil, some of the things that were taking place was idolatry. They were sacrificing their children, they were taking on the gods of the land. They had rebelled and actually broken their covenant with Yahweh. But there was always, always a remnant. And as I began to read this, hearing the knock at the door telling the Lord, i don’t want to get up unless someone’s dying The true power of God came upon me.

He began to speak to me. He said I want my children back. I am going after generation Z and generation Alpha. I want my children back, no longer. Well, i stand by and allow this generation to be defiled by the evil of Satan and by their own fathers. See, beloved, we have an issue right now. Children are being defiled. Men are no longer rising up in the power and the authority of the Lord to protect children for sex trafficking, children for being brainwashed into thinking that they’re a different gender from from actual defilement of their bodies.

We’ve pursed our lips, closed in the church, many, and are afraid to speak out. We’ve taken on the idols of the length. And I heard the Lord say I’m drawing my ministers back to myself and I will remove my glory from the system in order to cause us to follow him back to the place at which we were called to be, and that is in his temple. We are to be the temple of the Lord, the presence of God and the light in the darkness, the voice of truth, and the Lord is saying no more. I’m calling my ministers back to myself. Over the next two to three years, we’re going to find ourselves in shaking And I want to tell you you can mark my words on this It does not matter who’s elected in the next elections. The shaking will continue. We can no longer idolize the system of our land or the system of that we created and called religion. We must return to the Lord, fasting and weeping, but also rejoicing. In the place at which we sit, we have full access to the blood of the lamb and the word of his testimony. If we don’t suffer with the lamb, we’ll never roar like the lion in the earth.

Many of you felt like you’ve been overlooked and not seen, but you’ve had to deal with that pain And you’re coming to a place right now where you’re beginning to realize that the system is not where you belong to any way. It was in his presence, it was in his glory. It was with the word in your mouth. You couldn’t use you in your pride, in your arrogance, you couldn’t use you longing for a platform and longing to be known. You can only use you from the place of humility that you would open your mouth and speak the truth in the hour at which it’s not received.

You see, god’s calling us a raised generation that’s willing to lay down their lives, and the enemy’s trying to get them to lay down their bodies. But God is calling them to lay down their lives for the cause of Christ, for a greater reward. Are you willing? Are you willing to lay down your idols and raise up a generation in truth? You see, in the season he’s going to remove everything that hinders Everything, that hinders everything that we’re idolizing. If you believe that Jesus is your career, you’re going to find Jesus as the love of your life, or the ground is going to open up, like you did for the Corethites. That’s a whole other word Judgment, yes, and justice, yes. Glory, yes.

But if you look at Romans 8.18, glory doesn’t come without the suffering. There is no place in the Word of God, where you find that people are not experiencing trial before the glory. And if you look at this in Ezekiel, chapter 10, you would think that glory is all over the temple, that glory is departing the temple in order to drive his people back to himself, cause repentance and bring a generation out of the clenches of Satan. This is an invitation You get to have an opportunity to abide in him and he and you You are not of this world. Are you willing? Are you willing to come out from among them and be separate and be a solution to this problem? You will have to open your mouth in such a way that can cost you your life, but are we going to continue to sacrifice our children? Are we going to continue?

it says in Ezekiel that they pass their sons, their firstborn sons, through the fire. The Lord said no more. He’s calling us out And everything that can be shaken will be shaken and there will be laws placed in our land that will come against the truth of the Word of God. It says they’re already using AI to rewrite the Bible. Do you understand that that means that you will not be able to have an actual, true Word of God any longer? You better hang on to the word. You better have paper bibles in your house. If you’re finding your identity in a platform, social media, whatever it is you better buckle your seat belt. All these things are things and they’re going to pass away.

I tell him he’s coming for his pride and he wants us bold. Bold as lions, and meek and homeless doves. The compassion of the Lord will bring healing in this land. We better get ready, because there’s an entire generation that is so confused. Do you know that the suicide rates of Gen Z is off the charts? There’s an entire generation that needs to know their identity is in Christ alone.

Restoration is here. It’s at our fingertips. It’s coming with a cost. The glory of the Lord will settle on his people. He will not honor a system. I love our nation and I pray for restoration of our nation. I love Jesus more. Do you love Jesus? You pledge your allegiance to Jesus. You’re the Lamb of God who is slain before the foundation of the earth. Are you willing to be a rescue mission for this generation, even if it cost you your platform, your life? Buckle your seatbelt. I’m going to continue to teach more on how to abide in the place of rest, in the place of glory where he moves.

Listen, he told me that this season he is going to speak to his people. He’s not speaking to the storms, he’s speaking to his people. He’s giving his people the power, like he did Elijah, to speak and cause things to shake, move. Elijah was a man, a man like us. He prayed for the rain, and the rain came. He prayed for the heavens to shut. They shut. I’m telling you that kind of spirit and power of Elijah is coming, but not without consecration, holiness, purity, longing for him, loving him, seated with him and willing to be a true witness that lays down our lives. I’m not standing for it anymore. I love this generation. I love these kids. I will not own my watch. Will they be sacrificed to the agenda of Satan and the Antichrist? We’re to make us ready, make us bold as lions, but I make us humble, prepare our hearts, help us to open our hands and not hold tightly anything that you. I love you. Thank you so much for joining me.

This has been a prophetic alert with Tammy Sutherland Burning Messengers podcast. Let me pray for you before I close this thing out. Right now, i’ll come against any confusion, any fear, any terror. Fear is not of the Lord. The perfect love drives out all fear, for fear has to do with punishment. So I rebuke the spirit of fear and terror right now. In the name of Jesus, i just release upon you the power and the love of the Lord. The place of rest that you come up higher and you’re sitting with him in heavenly realms. That’s the word right now. Come up here. Come up here and I will show you what will take place after this. The five knocks on the door is inviting you to come in and sit with him and be an intercessor for this generation. That means also a mouthpiece. So I’ll break that fear off of you right now.

We will not fear the future. We will not fear the future. We will stand firm in our faith before the Lord. We will no longer be weak in our faith, but strong in the Lord And Jesus. I thank you that where we’re weak, you are strong. Where your strength is made perfect in our weakness. And there’s great grace for us in this hour, lord, i pray that beautiful Christian content will continue to go forth. But, lord, we will not find our identity in our platforms. We will not find our identity in our churches. We will not find our identity in you as a career, but we will find our identity of lovers in Jesus’ name. Amen And amen. If you need me, you can comment, you can email me. I’d love to pray for you. Even if we don’t answer emails right away, we are praying for you. We read them. Much love. See you soon.

In this heartfelt episode, my dear friend Anthony Medina shares his incredible journey from New York City to Dallas, Texas, and how his unwavering faith and constant communication with God have shaped his powerful ministry. We discuss the importance of vulnerability and compassion in order to truly feel the pain of others and show the love of Christ through our actions and interactions.

Anthony’s unique gift of healing and compassion shines through as he shares his experiences with miracles, deliverance, and the challenges faced by those striving to use their gifts in the five-fold ministry. We examine the pitfalls of ranking certain gifts over others and stress the necessity of practice and repetition in order to move in the power of God. With a focus on cultivating a compassionate heart, we explore the importance of servant leadership and emulating Christ in our actions and interactions with others.

As our conversation comes to a close, we delve into the value of community and the significance of finding a support system that encourages growth in understanding God’s power and identity in ministry. Don’t miss this remarkable opportunity to learn from Anthony Medina’s wisdom and experiences, and discover how you too can move in the power of God through a compassionate heart.

The Power of Compassion in Ministry

Anthony discovered his identity and power in ministry through a supernatural understanding of God’s power. His journey began when he was 17 and a man in white appeared in his bedroom. His relationship with God grew as he read the Bible and discovered healing, miracles, deliverance, and more. Compassion is crucial to the miraculous, as Jesus looked upon the people with compassion and then performed the miraculous.

Pursuing Miracles, Overcoming Excuses and Pride

We discuss the struggle some have with the different gifts within the five-fold ministry. We examine how it is wrong to rank certain gifts and how each one is powerful and revelatory. The key is to remember that if Jesus did it, we can too, and it is all about practice and repetition. Anthony shares his own story of how he had to learn to be willing to move in the power of God, which started with a prophetic word from Cindy Jacobs.

Cultivating a Compassionate Heart in Ministry

To move in the power of God, we need to be willing to be vulnerable, to feel the pain of others, and to be willing to be used and even abused. We also need to see people as better and be willing to be a servant of all, just like Christ. It’s not just about mechanics, but it’s about having a compassionate heart in order to move like Him and feel like Him. If we want the greater works, we must first do the same works as Jesus. Anthony shares some resources to equip and train us in cultivating a compassionate heart in ministry.

Reformation and Community

As we close out this conversation, we emphasize the importance of not being alone and finding the courage to be transparent with others. Ultimately, we want to encourage you to find a community and support system that will help you grow in your understanding of God’s power and identity in ministry.

In conclusion, moving in the power of God requires a compassionate heart, vulnerability, and a willingness to serve others. By embracing our unique gifts and focusing on Christ’s example, we can make a profound impact in the lives of those around us and help bring healing, miracles, and deliverance to those in need. With the right support system and a commitment to growth, we can unlock the full potential of our ministry and become powerful instruments of God’s love and grace.

About the guest: Anthony Medina faced many challenges growing up in my tough Brooklyn neighborhood steeped in drugs, poverty, and gang violence. But the Lord lovingly redeemed his rough past, turning it into a joyful present and promising future. His journey with Jesus began at the age of 17. My mom met the Lord, her heart radically changed, and she immediately began to intercede for her family. Because of her persistent prayers, his father and brother gave their lives to Jesus. He, on the other hand, was the rebellious one, preferring the streets over the pew. Mom waged war on my behalf until one evening, the Lord visited me in my bedroom. Overwhelmed by His mercy and love, he surrendered my life to Him. That night, his eyes were opened to the unseen realm. He began to see angels and demons, heavenly beings sent to help us, as well as the powers of hell sent to torment and oppress. Not knowing how to deal with what he was experiencing and unaware of any resources to help me, Anthony had to really depend on the Lord for guidance on all of this supernatural stuff. Holy Spirit began to teach me about what he was seeing and discerning, and most importantly, how to pray. The Lord taught Anthony in simple, straightforward ways, helping me to grow in Kingdom authority. He didn’t know it at the time, but Holy Spirit was revealing to me the realm of the prophetic.

About the host: Tammie Southerland is the host of Burning Messengers and the author of Permission To Bur: Breaking the Chains of Compromise from a Holy Generation. She is also a speaker and prophetic minister. She releases the sound authentic of revival and  messages from heaven as she travels. Her lifestyle is one of prayer and digging deep into the Word of God, her desire is to releasing the Heart of The Father in these last days. She moves in power ministry and is known for releasing the Matthew 3:11 “baptism of Holy Fire” as she goes.

Full Transcript

0:00:00 – Anthony Medina
Right, we want the greater works, but we’re not doing the same works that he did, because I think we’re just missing these key components of Christ’s likeness, which is a vulnerability, which is compassion, which is allowing ourselves to feel in a day and age where you’re not, you don’t feel, you know, don’t feel, especially in the ministry world, like don’t feel, just do the stuff.

Don’t feel, just do the stuff. But we have to allow ourselves to be vulnerable and willing to be hurt, willing to be offended, willing to be accused, you know, accused of things that you didn’t do, talk bad about, because those are the things that he went through And he said we will go through the very things that he went through. So, yeah, be willing. Are you willing? Let me ask you a question Are you willing to have a compassionate heart and show a compassionate heart to others? Are you willing to show a compassionate heart to those that offended you, to those that are speaking bad about you right now? Are you willing to go there? Because if you’re not, then you’re really not going to move in really deep power.

0:01:12 – Tammie Southerland
Hi guys, thank you for joining us again with the Burning Messengers. I’m so excited to bring you into a conversation today that is about the miracle, the signs and the wonders of the Kingdom of God. Did you know that it says every single time in the Book of Acts and throughout the Scriptures that when Jesus shows up, when he moves in signs and wonders, when the disciples move in signs and wonders, that the Kingdom of Heaven is here? And that’s what we’re going to talk about today. Anthony Medina is just a really good friend of mine, but he also moves in a very unique gift of healing and compassion. He likes to bring together an understanding of how the move of God is very much tied to compassion. And, anthony, i’m so thankful that you’re here with me. I really do honor you. I love you, i’m thankful for you and not just for your ministry, so thank you for being here with me today.

0:02:11 – Anthony Medina
Oh, most certainly. It’s an honor And I love you. The feeling is very mutual, although we don’t know each other that long Man. I just love you and your southern accent and all things, Tammy’s southern accent.

0:02:24 – Tammie Southerland
Well, you are really a multifaceted person. I mean, you and your wife, melissa, really burn together in ministry, but one of my favorite things about you is it’s just really not only about ministry for you. This is who you are. This is your lifestyle, your husband, your father, you have a passion for being a spiritual father, and all the things that I said when I welcomed you are great, but I really feel like it. That’s what sums up who you are. I think your representation of who Jesus is. Tell me a little bit more. Tell the people a little bit more about you, know what you do and how do you and Melissa actually just run together in ministry?

0:03:06 – Anthony Medina
Yeah, so quick backstory. Born and raised in New York City, in Brooklyn, new York, we moved to Dallas, texas, after planning a starting a house church in Brooklyn And we moved here in 2005 to go to Bible school. Because, after doing the stuff and doing ministry in New York, god spoke to the both of us and said I want you guys to go to school to get prepared for ministry. And our response to that was well, what in the world are we doing now, you know? so we moved here in 2005 and God just opened some crazy doors and miraculous things happened. And all honesty, me, i just like to.

I guess the way I like to refer to it is that I like to live in a constant conversation with God. You know, one of the first books I read well, the first book I read upon getting saved after the Bible, was the practice of the presence of God by Brother Lawrence. And that book I said if this guy can do it in a kitchen peeling potatoes and washing dishes, then I want to do that. What he did. To this day I don’t know who gave me that book. I say it was an angel, because someone handed me the book and then I never saw the person again, but that really just set a plum line for my life. So I want to be in a constant conversation and communication with the Lord, whether it be for on a stage or playing baseball with my son, or hanging out with my wife or having a conversation with a young adult, i want to be in a constant conversation and communication with Holy Spirit so that I can live from that outflow.

And so for me it’s not for ministry and all honesty. I mean, i’m an honest person. I think you know that about me. Ministry for me is the last thing on the totem pole Right. It’s about relationship with Jesus and communication with him, my wife, my son, and then people that are close to me that I love dearly, and then the platform stuff and then the media stuff and then all that other stuff, and so I try wholeheartedly to stay in that and do life from that place. Now, my wife and I, we’re very, very different. So this is me. The way I’m talking now is me all the time. I mean, you know, you saw me preach. This is literally me standing on the stage with a mic in my hand And, believe it or not, folks, god still moves when you talk low and slow, you know, you don’t have to be screaming. My wife, on the other hand, is very loud, very fiery.

You know, by the end of her sermon she’s all sweaty. By the end of my sermon I’m not. My clothes are still dry, you know. But that’s that’s who we are, that’s how we are, and and because we’re so polar opposite, we just function and mesh so well. I love it And and we really compliment each other in the place of prayer and the prophetic deliverance, all that stuff that we get to do together. But we really do prayer together. You know we’re pastors of prayer at our local church and that under that umbrella comes deliverance in a healing prophetic ministry all of those things.

But we get to do it together and we get to be an example to others, especially especially younger ones that are either coming up in ministry or don’t care for ministry but are in the church and that are like I want to be able to function and have a good relationship with my spouse the way you do with yours, because you compliment each other so well And so we just get to live. we get to live this life together as an example to other people, like you can. you can do marriage well. you can do family well. you can do ministry well because, like you know, sometimes maybe you do ministry well as a husband and wife, but you don’t do the other ones well. Or maybe you do the other ones well, but ministry, no, it’s either one or the other. Yeah, it’s generally not a husband and wife team, and so we’ve really been trying, and we feel like God has called us, to model that for the next generation. So we’re trying our best to do so.

0:07:05 – Tammie Southerland
Well, i think you do. I think you guys do an amazing job at that. And even while you’re talking, i’m thinking about me as a young person. One of the things that really, i guess, stoked my heart and really led me to my moment where I laid it all down for the Lord, was seeing a husband and wife team ministering together. I was about 19 or 20 years old.

19 years old had was broken, absolutely broken, thought that God was totally unable to reach me where I was, and I sat on the edge of a room at a youth group and watched a husband and wife team minister together And I don’t even remember what they said, but it impacted me so deeply that it showed me the mercy and the love of God and that it showed me that I can be restored. And while you’re talking about it, i’m thinking like that’s it And it’s so overlooked. We look at the platform, we look at all the things, but this generation’s looking for family. They’re looking for what does it look like to be restored and be redeemed? And I’m just, i’m so thankful that you guys are walking in that.

0:08:19 – Anthony Medina
Yeah, i mean we wouldn’t want to do it any other way, honestly, because we have so many eyes on us And that’s not I’m not saying that from a haughty standpoint Like we have eyes on us and we want to be a good example to the next generation of not of good ministers, of good lovers of Jesus and of good family people.

0:08:39 – Tammie Southerland
Yeah Well, let me ask you this and this is a little bit off script, what we thought we were gonna talk about, but when it looks, what does it look like for you guys, over the course of your marriage, to learn how to run together like that Because you are so different? you know She’s fiery, you’re more quiet. You know how does it look to learn how to run together, mesh together, with two totally different probably gift mixes and personalities?

0:09:06 – Anthony Medina
Mm-hmm. Yeah, so gift mixes. I’m very she’s, highly prophetic in her own right, but even she would say that I’m the prophet of the family and she’s very much the apostle in the family. You know, she’s the builder, she’s the visionary, and while I do have vision, i’m not like her by any means.

It took a lot of time and it took a lot of growing and all honesty on my end of the equation because for many years and because of the people that we’re around, that we have in our life, these, you know, these big ministry name folks, i would always get the comment of you need to be more like your wife, you need to pray more like your wife, you need to preach and teach more like your wife. And that did something to me when I was younger. It did something that wasn’t good. Yeah, because it took me out of my identity and tried to get me to be more like her, and so anytime we did try to do stuff together, i was trying to basically copy her, you know, and that didn’t go off well. I would teach poorly, i would stutter, you know. I would twist words, i would break out into cold sweats. Anytime I grabbed the microphone, i just couldn’t do it. You know I would freeze up Because I was trying to be more like Melissa Medina when I just needed to be like myself, and that really sent me on a journey of peeling my identity.

And I recently actually did a class for a friend of mine named Anna Werner at her school.

She asked me to teach on healing your identity And this was basically it. That’s what it came out of, you know, my journey of basically becoming myself, you know, and learning who I was in light of the Lord, compared to who my wife Melissa is, and embracing who I am, fully embracing my gifts, embracing my God-given abilities and embracing my temperament and character as well, not just my gifting, my spiritual gifting, but embracing this, this meekness, this quietness, the tenderness, the tender person that I am versus, you know, the loud, the fiery person that she is, and being fully secure in that so that I can function well with her and compliment her like I’m supposed to. And so once I got to that place, then I mean it just took off for us And then we were really able to minister together. Where she had a part, i would come behind her and had a part, and vice versa, you know, and that’s when God really began to move during our times of ministry together, when I really learned who I was, basically coming into my right identity.

0:11:40 – Tammie Southerland
Man that is so, so powerful. I believe that even those that are watching our show is burning messengers, and we’re really talking to those who whose hearts burn to be a voice, to be a messenger. And I think that this is very, very significant for those of you that are watching, because we talk about the fire a lot here. We talk about the spirit of burning and you know and I tend to be that loud person But I think what you’re sharing so important, because God moves in power through every different facet of his basically himself, in the personality of his creation.

That’s what we are. We’re his identity, We’re in his identity, We’re his creation And I think some of those that are watching right now really needed to hear that. Some of you guys needed to come out of competition with your spouse. Some of you needed to come into your identity and this is your freedom to step into that. And, Anthony, I think it’s important obviously to the Lord to mention what you just mentioned. I would love to know, you know, just as you’ve come into this identity, how you discovered such, I guess, such a supernatural, natural understanding of the power ministry of God.

0:12:58 – Anthony Medina
Oh well, like I said after I, my salvation experience was one of power. So I began just to make a long story really short. I began to pretend to go to church. My dad, who benched for us 400 pounds at the time, would force me to go. I didn’t want to be there. I liked a girl and my own, one of my dad’s brothers, who was a deacon, said you know, if you like that girl, her parents are going to let you date her only if you are actually here in church and engaged. So here’s what you need to do You need to pretend like you want to be here. So I did that for about two months. I pretended like I wanted to be in church, like I enjoyed it, but on the inside I was struggling. I was dying. I didn’t want to be there. Just this five hour Hispanic church services. You know what I mean. I didn’t want to be there.

And then one day at two months, two months into this pretending, pretend Christianity I’m in my bedroom. Before going to bed, i what I now know as a prayer. I make this statement audibly. I said you know, if this Jesus thing is real, you’re going to have to show me. And then this man in white appears in my room And in it I felt equal parts fear. Like the man in white that’s standing there can kill me instantly. But I also felt this love, like this person in white loves me so much that he’s not going to kill me. And then, obviously, i recognize Jesus is standing in my room. So I guess you are real, so I need to give my life to you.

And then, you know, from that moment and I didn’t say some scripted prayer, i just said, okay, i’ll follow you because you are real. And then I just had this desire to read this book, you know, and I started reading the Bible, I started reading Acts, i started reading the Gospels and I saw miracles. I saw miracles, i saw healing, i saw. Well, if the man in white that was standing in my room did that stuff, that means I could do that stuff too, because I read in this book that the disciples could do that stuff, that the people that followed him, and now I’m following him. That means I need to do the stuff as well.

So from early on that was at 17. From early on, i started hearing the voice of God, i started seeing in the Spirit, i started. You know what I now know as healing right. I didn’t have language for it. Back in the day, i was just like, well, okay, be healing, i’m going to pray for healing, i’m going to start doing doing those things right. I didn’t have formal training like people like to have now.

I didn’t go to. I didn’t go to a healing school, i didn’t go to a school of the prophets, i didn’t. You know, i just read the book and did the stuff. Yes, that’s it. But it came simply, it came out of relationship, in all honesty.

0:15:36 – Tammie Southerland
So a big topic for you is compassion. Why is compassion so important to the miraculous?

0:15:47 – Anthony Medina
Well, a big linchpin verse for me is Mark 6, Mark 6, 34.

When he went ashore and saw a great crowd. He had compassion on them because they were like sheep without a shepherd, and he began to teach them many things. And I read that verse and I realized like Jesus did pretty much everything that he did, and that that phraseology in scripture, especially in the Gospels, is it’s, it’s found very often Jesus looked upon them with compassion, you know, he looked upon, he looked at the people and he had compassion for them. And, you see, more often than not, that led into the miraculous, that led into the multiplication of food, that led into deliverance, that led into healing, that led into, you know, somebody coming into their right mind, whatever it may be. When he looked at a person, when he looked at a crowd with, and he had compassion, he had this thing that was outside of himself, like I need to give myself fully to these people because they’re hurting, because they’re in pain. And when I was like, okay, i just started praying and asking the Lord okay, well, if Jesus did that looked at people with compassion and then healed them and then delivered them and then, you know, provided for them, why can’t I do that too?

And so I just began to, began to try it out, you know, when I was in ministry settings, when either it’d be one-on-one or in a corporate setting, i was like, okay, father, let me let me look at these people with compassion. What? what is your compassionate heart towards them in this moment? You know, and I would ask internally, i would begin to ask Holy Spirit questions Okay, the person that’s standing in front of me for personal ministry, how how are you having compassion for them right now? Let me sense your compassion for them in this moment and what that compassionate heart is tied to. And when I would sense that, then I would go in that direction.

Whether it was healing, whether it was they were grieving a relative that passed away, whether they were grieving loss of a job, a loss of a relationship, whatever it was, whether they were in bondage and they needed deliverance, they needed some emotional healing, whatever it was. I asked God to let me sense his compassion for the person, or let me sense his compassion for the crowd, and then let me move in that manner, because that’s what Jesus did. And so I just, i just went for it, and now, every time I, every time I minister, whether one on one or corporately that’s that’s how I go about it And I see miracles and you know God heals and.

God delivers and God restores. and you know he restores joy. That’s, that’s a big part of it, right? He restores joy because he had compassion.

0:18:37 – Tammie Southerland
Yeah, yeah.

0:18:39 – Anthony Medina
Wow.

0:18:40 – Tammie Southerland
That’s so good. I would love for you to speak to a specific wrestle that some people in ministry have. We talk about the different gifts within the five fold and we tend to label certain gifts to move in certain power miracles and others don’t. And I’ve even heard it said well, this particular gift moves in the miracles and this particular gift, you know, may move in deliverance but not in healing. You know, how would you speak to that kind of what I believe is honestly an excuse? How do you speak to that? and what do you say to someone who says, man, i’ve prayed for the sick and I prayed for the sick and I prayed for the sick. I’ve not seen him healed, but but I see people delivered.

0:19:23 – Anthony Medina
Well, i would simply say this that if Jesus did it and we’re supposed to be like him, that means we get to do it too. So there really isn’t an excuse. I know we like to put, you know, certain giftings under certain hierarchies, and these are power, these are revelatory. Well, everything is powerful and everything is revelatory, right, and so the sick? it reveals Jesus. And if we give a prophetic word, it reveals Jesus and it’s powerful because you’re speaking on his behalf and telling something to somebody that you didn’t know, naturally. So it’s all power and it’s all revelation, it’s all displaying his beauty and his glory and it’s all revealing his nature and his character.

Well, i always default to. If Jesus did it, then I can do it too. Whatever it is I can do, because he’s called me and he’s called you to be just like him, to be like Christ. And if we get to be like Christ, it’s not in certain aspects, You know, it’s in fullness. We get to fully be like him if we’re willing, if we’re willing to continue pushing on when you don’t see the results and I don’t like to use that word because that’s very corporate, that’s a very corporate word. You know we need to see results. But yeah, you know, if you don’t see results you pray for the sick and they don’t get healed You know what you get to do. You get to continue to pray for the sick because even if a sick person that you pray for doesn’t get healed, they’re feeling very loved that you actually took the time to pray for them.

0:20:56 – Tammie Southerland
Yeah.

0:20:56 – Anthony Medina
Even if nothing happened, because they feel seen and they feel known, at least by a person that loves Jesus. So they see, they still see an extension of Jesus, even though nothing may have happened necessarily. But I prayed for the sick and nothing would happen until stuff started happening. That’s right.

0:21:14 – Tammie Southerland
That’s good.

0:21:15 – Anthony Medina
I had to build a muscle.

0:21:16 – Tammie Southerland
Yeah, how do you build that muscle?

0:21:20 – Anthony Medina
Practice, practice, just like in anything. You want to play the piano, you got to practice. You want to play the drums? you got to practice. You want to. You know. You want to hit a 95 mile an hour fastball, you got to practice. Yeah, you want to heal a sick? you got to pray for the sick, that’s right, it’s practice. It’s all practice. You want to prophesy? You got to be willing to prophesy and be willing to miss it. Yeah, it’s all. It’s all practice. Repetition at the end of the day.

0:21:49 – Tammie Southerland
That’s good. So how did you start practicing? Did you start praying for people you know as often as you could? How did that happen for you?

0:21:57 – Anthony Medina
Yeah, i mean, it started first in the local church and then everywhere that I went, you know, i would see folks sick and in need, whether a store, whether you know, whatever it was. I was just willing to try. Yeah, i was just willing to try. So, so how did I start? First thing, i was willing Quick making a long story very short, 2014, i got a prophetic word from a spiritual mother of ours named Cindy Jacobs.

She gives my wife a word, gives me a word. The word she gave me was about New York City, and we’re originally from New York, like I said earlier, and but I always said, since we moved here, we’re never moving back. And so she gives me this word about New York City and afterwards I sent her a text message. So did you mean by giving me this word, that we were moving back to New York City? And she responds she says no, that’s not what the Lord told me. And then she said this but one must always be willing, and I realized in that moment that I wasn’t willing.

I wasn’t willing to move back to New York City because when people would ask me, i would literally say in order for God to get me to move back to New York City, he’s going to have to come down on a cloud throwing lightning bolts in my behind and to get me to move back. And so fast forward. Two years after that, after her saying one must always be willing, we find ourselves in New York City prepping the preach The first time. First, open door in in our home, in our home state, and the morning of we’re just going over notes and praying, and while in prayer the Lord speaks to us and says you guys have forfeited your authority, your spiritual authority, in New York City because of the words that you’re spoken and you’re unwilling to move back here And so that led to?

that led to a long repentance session, obviously, and a restoration of authority, because we had delegated authority, because that’s our homeland. Yeah, but we weren’t, we weren’t willing, and so I’ve taken that obviously into into everything, because I’m willing to do anything else, but I wasn’t willing to move back there. And so you have to be willing to pray for the sick, you have to be willing to get out there and prophesy and look a little foolish.

0:24:06 – Tammie Southerland
Yeah.

0:24:07 – Anthony Medina
You know, and lose a little dignity.

0:24:10 – Tammie Southerland
Yeah.

0:24:10 – Anthony Medina
If you wanna see God actually move in power in your midst and through your life. So you have to be willing and you have to practice, and you have to continue to practice. And when he says to do something, go give that person this word, pray for that person. You have to be obedient, because obedience is greater than sacrifice. So you have to be obedient And that’s probably the thing. Everything else hinges on Obedience. First, obedience to the word. He tells us to heal the sick. He tells us to cleanse the leper. He tells us to raise the dead. Obey that and be willing to try it every single time and every single place that you go to, and you’re gonna see miraculous things happen.

0:24:52 – Tammie Southerland
Wow. So what it sounds like to me is a lot of our hurdles pride.

0:24:57 – Anthony Medina
Mm-hmm More than anything.

0:24:59 – Tammie Southerland
So it’s us we’re the problem. We’re not necessarily the problem because we don’t have access. We’re the problem because we have the fear of man and pride, and I think that’s for me, that’s a very real thing. I have a very personal connection to what you’re saying and you’re talking about. we’ve talked about compassion. We’ve talked about flexing that muscle and that the last time you and I were in the room together we ministered at the same conference together You came over and you laid your hands on me, prayed for me and you were moving this teaching of compassion. I literally felt the like. I felt the compassion of the Lord and the groan for his people laid on me, anthony, like I felt it lay on me in that moment. And three weeks later, my daughter is in the hospital fighting for her life. There is like, literally, they’re telling us that she’s not gonna make it And there was one thing that I could say throughout that whole process was Jesus reigns.

It’s all that I could say. But the compassion piece this is what the Lord showed me in the hospital is that when Jesus came to the tomb of Lazarus, he wept And that word there is. Jesus groaned, and so he groaned with the very bowels of his compassion. And so there was something that was laid on me, not just for ministry. there was something that was laid on me to experience, to raise up for my own family, for my own child, and I began to understand the significance not just of what you had taught, not just what you had prayed, but the significance of the groaning, of the experience of feeling what, not just what Jesus feels, but Jesus feeling what we feel, and I think that’s a key. I don’t know if it’s something that you’ve probably, you’ve probably understood that, but it’s something that was really revelatory for me. And, honestly, after God raised Jaden up and she had a creative miracle, there was a mantle almost that sat on our family for months and months and months after that. that it was just the compassion and the power of God to give away what we had received.

And so I don’t know, i think that the different topics we’re talking about are actually converging in this. it’s family, it’s personal, it’s intercession And it’s Jesus. it’s that one where Jesus reigns, and where Jesus reigns, everything has to be still. But I just wanted to share that. I would love for you to spend just a few minutes just really speaking to those that are listening, specifically to those that are wanting to receive an impartation of compassion. They wanna step out and they’ve had. whatever the hindrance is. I would love for you just to really just go after the messengers, those that are watching right now.

0:28:07 – Anthony Medina
Yeah, certainly. I wanna say this to those that are watching, those that are listening Compassion is costly. All right, one of the things right, we went different directions. One of the things we were gonna talk about, possibly, was spiritual father and spiritual parenting. And to do that, you see Paul and Timothy, and that was costly for Paul. It was costly for Timothy as a son in the faith, but it was very costly for Paul.

Why? Because we are giving of ourselves at a level to another that you don’t necessarily give to everyone. You do that for your family, you do that, you do that for your spouse, you do that for your children. You do that for your immediate family, maybe, but then for others who are not blood that come into your life, whether it be somebody that you’re ministering to, whether it be somebody that you’re fathering or mothering, you’re giving of yourself at a level and allowing yourself to feel at a level that you don’t with everyone. And so there is a real aspect of vulnerability that comes, and transparency as well, but really being vulnerable to allow yourself to hurt, being vulnerable to allow yourself to carry others’ pain, to be a burden bearer, because that is the essence of compassion.

That’s what Jesus did. He looked at the crowd that were like sheep without a shepherd. They had no guidance. So he came on the scene and saw all that and felt all of that. So he began to feel their burden of being lost, being wandering. He began to see their hurt and see their need. So he stepped in and filled it And he taught them and he healed them and he fed them and he did all those things for them from the place of compassion. But he had to, because he was fully God, yes, but he was also fully man. So he had to allow himself to go there as a Jesus, the man, and be vulnerable and be willing to feel their pain and feel their ache, be willing to be used, be willing to be abused right, because that is a part and Tammy can tell you this as well. There are parts and aspects of ministry where you will be used. You will be abused by others. You will just be used for your gift. You will be used because you’re compassionate and people will take advantage of you and hurt your heart. But you know what you have to do is you have to get up the next morning and do it again, because that’s what Jesus would do.

And so all of these things, the vulnerability, the compassionate heart, seeing people as better than being willing to be the servant of all, like it says in scripture get down and wash somebody’s feet, get down and serve them even if they mistreat you, even if they abuse you, be willing to take people in as family Those are all aspects of compassion that we need to have to be able to fully walk like Christ, in my opinion, because he did the stuff with a compassionate heart. So why not us have a compassionate heart to do the very things that Jesus did? It’s not mechanics. We look at spiritual gifts and we’re like man, these are just tools, but it’s like an engine, they’re just parts, they’re just components, but for us we have to function from a different place, and that’s a compassionate heart, to really be able to move like him and feel like him and see the things that he did. In my opinion, we want the greater works, but we’re not doing the same works that he did, because I think we’re just missing these key components of Christ likeness, which is the vulnerability, which is compassion, which is allowing ourself to feel In a day and age where you’re not, you don’t feel, you know, don’t feel, especially in the ministry world, like, don’t feel, just do the stuff.

Don’t feel, just do the stuff. But we have to allow ourself to be vulnerable and willing to be hurt, willing to be offended, willing to be accused you know, accused of things that you didn’t do, talk bad about. Because those are the things that he went through And he said we will go through the very things that he went through. So, yeah, be willing. Are you willing? Let me ask you a question Are you willing to have a compassionate heart and show a compassionate heart to others? Are you willing to show a compassionate heart to those that offended you, to those that are speaking bad about you right now? Are you willing to go there? Because if you’re not, then you’re really not going to move in really deep power.

0:33:00 – Tammie Southerland
Wow, That’s so powerful, everything that you just said, guys. I hope that you really allowed that to sink in, Anthony, would you? would you just pray for those that are watching?

0:33:15 – Anthony Medina
Yeah, certainly, Father. I thank you for those that are watching right now, those that are listening And ask, Holy Spirit, that you would begin to impart the heart of Jesus, that you would draw them into that place of compassion. Allow them to feel the heart of Jesus for them personally, what you’re feeling, what you want to do in their lives, your thoughts towards them. Allow them to feel your heart for those that are around them, their immediate family, their spouse, their children, if they don’t have their best friends, you know. Allow them to feel if they’re in ministry, allow them to feel their heart for those that they lead, those that they pastor. Allow them to feel their, feel your heart for their employees.

God, I asked that you would begin to open them up to your compassionate heart for them and for others and allow them to carry that, to be able to see what you want them to see and do what you want them to do, fully, without reservations, without fear, without any anxiety, but in great boldness, because behind compassion comes boldness to do the stuff, to do the miracles, to deliver the people. Because we need compassion to cast out devils, We need compassion to multiply food, we need compassion to see the miraculous. So, God, I thank you for an impartation and release of the compassionate heart of Jesus to those that are watching and listening right now. In Jesus’ name, amen.

0:34:56 – Tammie Southerland
Amen. Thank you so much, anthony. What a powerful, powerful conversation. So much to take away from it. My heart is burning, anthony, do you guys have any kind of equipping or training? I know Melissa has recently written a book. What are some resources that you guys have and how can people find them?

0:35:19 – Anthony Medina
Well, i will be very honest there. Our first of all, our website is hopefirescom H-O-P-E-F-I-R-E-Scom. You can follow me on Facebook and Instagram. I do more on Instagram now. Anthony underscore Medina, but we are now because we’re such hidden people. We love to live hidden and that’s probably to our detriment a little bit. But we’re now starting to work on different resources. I’m working on some e-courses and probably some mentoring program as well, but you can keep tabs on my social media and on our website as well.

0:35:58 – Tammie Southerland
Awesome, awesome. Well, i look forward to whatever you guys are going to release out there and it’s, i’m sure, gold what you guys released locally. Guys, anthony, medina hopefully we’re going to have Melissa on soon. I would love to have you back together. It’s just so unique what you guys walk in. I’m so thankful for you. Thank you so much for jumping a hold here with me and having this conversation.

Guys, follow Anthony, find their social media, play this again, listen to it again, soak it in again. Really let this get in your bones, because what he’s releasing to you, what he’s speaking to you, it’s not just head knowledge. This is like a literal thing that God wants to cause your heart to be turned and honestly torn for those whom he loves. I believe we’re in the midst of a reformation. Thankful that we’re in the midst of a reformation in the ministry world right now, where we are returning back to the feet of Jesus and being his hands and feet. It’s not about us, it’s about him, and thank you so much for joining us. And remember, you guys don’t have to burn alone. You do not have to be alone in this. Others out there like you and go find community, stay with them and we’ll see you next time.